AW: [Typo3-marketing] Freelance auction for TYPO3 web development?

[Sabina Loicht]

one small input from Austria, where we experienced the same situation:

we saw:
- students offering their services under marketprice --> the disappear 
after a while or learn.
- companies offering low-budget and sometimes even NO-budget 
implementations, hosting,... --> they use that measure as possibility to 
enter a big customers project or they take the service out of their 
portfolio beeing under the amount that has to be covered.

so, mr.we-sell-our-service-under-budget (besindes: what's your real name? - 
i guess, i don't know you),
i would like to state from our 13-year experience in the software-market:
1.      the market will teach you itself within the next 8 months
2.      if you go on like this, don't ever expect help - if you should need 
- from other companies or persons sticking to the rules and cooperating...


sunny sunday greetings from your neighbours,
sabina loicht (plan2net / Vienna)


At 11:17 16.01.2005 +0100, you wrote:
> > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> > Von: typo3-marketing-bounces at lists.netfielders.de
> > [mailto:typo3-marketing-bounces at lists.netfielders.de] Im
> > Betreff: Re: [Typo3-marketing] Freelance auction for TYPO3
> > web development?
>
> > IMHO you cant (and shouldn't) do anything against discounters
> > that will sell services for a low budget. And a cheap service
> > doesn't necessarily mean that it has to be of a bad quality.
> > (A good example is the dental service you can get in poland
> > or hungary compared to the costs of the same service in
> > A one man show can be much cheaper than a big
> > company just because there is only one mouth to feed and not
> > the whole administrative overhead.
>
>But what is the reason to dump prices?
>Maybe this is no topic for the marketing list, but still I think this has 
>to be said.
>I will NOT support any dumping processes by giving away extensions for 
>projects that I know are low priced.
>In my opinion this is one of the things that keeps us surviving.
>We don't have licensing (written correctly? Don't know) fees with typo3 so 
>all we can make money with is project work.
>If the market get's price dumped this keeps me from feeding several mouths.
>So if a one-man show only needs to feed one mouth, what's the problem in 
>having higher rates so the overall market stays in balance?
>Plus I think that there is one thing that is NOT mentioned about the whole 
>one-man idea...
>If you go and break your arm (or spine, due to current experiences) your 
>whole work is halted.
>This is of course your personal risk bzw. (what's this in english? :)) the 
>risk of your client.
>So please stop this "big companies only use the money for administrative 
>ovverhead and switch back to an objective discussion)
>
> > So certifying services and/or persons is the way to go. This
> > way people will know that they will get a good quality for
> > their money, no matter if it was a high or low budget they had to pay.
>
>I think typo3 is a professional product.
>I think professional products have the one-time chance to set high rates. 
>(Think about it for a minute - this is our advantage within the market).
>Dumping prices does damage to the market (I recall having a client here 
>who asked about typo3 and he came up with a sentence like "a, yeah - I 
>know that's this CMS thingy you get hosted for 10 bucks a month. Naa, we 
>want to go for a professional solution and after that I had to learn 
>RedDot (crappy CMS btw.)).
>
>And IMO the OMS (one-man-shows) don't have disadvantages when claiming 
>higher rates.
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Wir hoffen, Ihnen mit dieser Information gedient zu haben und verbleiben
mit freundlichen Gruessen,

S. Loicht

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