[TYPO3-english] A TYPO3 quick start package...

Sun Sep 23 03:19:11 CEST 2012

By the way Phillip

You are talking about weired madness. Who was actually creating this madeness - if it was madness what I doubt  - IMHO it was the spirit of Inspire to share Joh 3.16

Kaspar - Founder of TYPO3 without his effort we all would not work even with TYPO3

Dassault Systems - they are incredible innovative - thats probably why you think it is weired or mad what they sponsored to be developped for years!

Robert - even he developed many years templavoila he wasnt able to get Version 5 to the same flexibility and usability. this is why it will take again 4-5 years until stuff like gridelements will be usable like Templavoila.

Dmitry - the one who made TemplaVoila and RealUrl really usable for the first time because he is a perfectionist and likes great and usable stuff.

Tolleiv - working for the biggest company of TYPO3, him and the company seems to be fascinated and is promoting TYPO3 with TemplaVoila since years

WEC - must have been really mad by using TemplaVoila or! I dont think so Phillip as they had the right inspiration and the right sense of usability and since 2004 they are a huge driving power bringing future and usability to TYPO3.

Ron Hall - a really incredible good framework with an upcoming blowaway effect. Really incredible good ideas in their which boosts typo 3 since years.

Jeff - who will ensure that people will be able to switch easily from the usability of tv to fed fluid - etc when they are mature enough and provide same usability.

I love these people who create such "mad" and "weired" stuff which gives customers the power to start doing by themselves, making devs more and more obsolete in setting and maintaining sites!

Please continue with this incredible weired madness as it makes us live and happy and saves money and time.

Sent from Andi's iPhone

On Sep 23, 2012, at 7:37, Andi <cocopapa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sorry Phillip
> 
> but your answer is a TYPICAL ignoring Core Dev answer since years.
> 
> You are missing completely the point and also should learn to read proprerly.
> 
> TemplaVoila is since years the most userfriendly and most flexible way to use TYPO3
> 
> Standard Templating is since years blocking the future of TYPO3!!!
> 
> WHY?
> 
> Because some weired and old fashioned core developery dont want to recognize that since years actually since 2004 when webempowered church brought out their first package and even MUCH more when Ron Hall brought out the gorgeous Framework for Templavoila and there will be an even much huger crowd start using templavoila with the next Version VERY SURE!!!
> 
> WHY?
> 
> Because since years - 6 years - we have over and over again the same discussion with Ycore Devs like you which ignore very resistant one simple Fact!
> 
> Since start of templavoula NO SINGLE traditional old fashioned core dev was able to create something similar usable like templavoila. something similar flexible like templavoila, which is as user and designer friendly like templavoila, which provides meanwhile even an own FREE Template repository like templavoila and a way to share complete templates and flexible templates like templavoila and which you can edit from frontend, translate without any problem, ...
> 
> In short start using templavoila and feeling the real power of usability and easyness of TYPO3 instead of continueing making customers dependent on Typo3 Developers. Inspire to share the best way - which is currently TemplaVoila for customers and we will be happy to see perhaps in the next 5 years gridelements flux fed fluid extbase etc taking over the usability of TemplaVoila perhaps they will also have in 6 years more than 10 templates available ;-)
> 
> I never said you should integrate templavoila to extbase or something similar.
> 
> Stopp blocking thousands of devs and customers by ignoring the best what ever happened to TYPO3. Show a bit more respect to templavoila!
> 
> We respect also the work on fluid extbase fed etc and are already experimenting with it, but until now - and this will be like this still for the next 3-4 years Templating with fluid is real fun but not usable ALONE with the same flexibility and customer friendliness like templavoila. And sorry - gridelements is until now norhing more than a nice try which should take a bit more usability examples on TemplaVoila. It can be the future - yes but until now it is it not.
> 
> We train our customers here to setup and create their websites and they use templavoila for a very good reason. 
> 
> With the templavoila Framework, March8 or Abc TYPO3 is like a big box with lots and lots of ready to drag into the right position building blogs, no need to do Be a typiscript Genius. 
> 
> Designers here live it because the way of templating is easy and understandable. no need of markers etc. drag and drop thats it. change column settings and your content is still in place. Mix colums on one page no problem. Translating very easy.
> 
> It is NOT the financial support which is missing right now! It is the Trad Core Devs attitude which should support those gorgeous devs which created and maintain TemplaVoila and RealUrl.
> 
> As you probably have read Dmitry has fixes but this Agreement is hindering to get them in.
> 
> Blocking our people.
> Blocking out great tools.
> Blocking customers sites wirh new releases
> 
> is the best way to bring people to Drupal which is getting faster and faster to be secure and easy to update and maintain like TYPO3. Srijan Technologies was a great supporter of TYPO3 and is now a great supporter of Drupal offering conversion services for TYPO3 customers who want to switch to Drupal.
> 
> And be sure Phillip, If there would be not the great great effort of Ron Hall, Jeff Segars and others of the webempoweredchurch to make TYPO3 even more userfriendly as it is right now for all customers using the framework for templavoila than most user oriented people would have already switched.
> 
> But be also very sure that those people from WEC who do not ignore TemplaVoila but using it in real live settings since years will be the driving power to get stuff like the "abandonned" TYPO3 Version 5 ideas up and running.
> 
> WHY?
> 
> Because the know and experienced, felt already the real power of TYPO3.
> 
> Give piece a chance
> Give TemplaVoila a try
> be more Enduser friendly
> 
> Start supporting the TemplaVoila and RealUrl devs a bit more
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Andi
> 
> 
> Sent from Andi's iPhone
> 
> On Sep 23, 2012, at 1:06, Philipp Gampe <philipp.gampe at typo3.org> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Andi,
>> 
>> Andi wrote:
>> 
>>> In other words TEMPLAVOILA with a step by step more integrated extbase
>>> fluid way is the way the CORE Devs should focus on until FED FLUID EXTBASE
>>> or TYPO3 Version 5 is mature and equipped enough in their TYPO3 6. Beta
>>> Releases.
>> 
>> What is the point to make templavoila compatible with extbase??
>> Templavoila is some wired XML madness that for sure has nothing to do with 
>> extbase which relies on true DB relations (like the rest of the core - I 
>> know that there are some old CSV relations, but those are DB friendly).
>> 
>> Unfortunately gridelements was not ported to core (drag&drop + content 
>> grids), but devs only work in their free time on the core.
>> 
>> BTW there is also fed/flux/etc.
>> 
>>> Lets hope that RealUrl AND Templavoila are running at least in the next
>>> Beta Version 3 of TYPO3 6.0 so that extensions depending on those 2 major
>>> TYPO3 extensions can be tested entirely BEFORE TYPO3 Version 6 gets
>>> released in its first stable Version
>> 
>> I will for sure test realurl again, but I see no need for templavoila 
>> (personally), thus companies or individuals that want to make use of it 
>> should test it and report core bugs or fix templavoila itself.
>> 
>> If you urgently need fixes, feel free to pay Tolliev or any other dev to fix 
>> them for you.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> And please stop promoting TemplaVoila so much, because there are very good 
>> reasons not to use it. It is unfair to newcommers to tell them other 
>> solutions are crap and templavoila is the only one to use while this is 
>> simply not the case.
>> 
>> Best regards
>> -- 
>> Philipp Gampe – PGP-Key 0AD96065 – TYPO3 UG Bonn/Köln
>> Documentation – linkvalidator
>> TYPO3 .... inspiring people to share!
>> 
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