[TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

[Martin Bless]

Hello Tolleiv,

I'm sad you're not very constructive in your posts *in this
thread*. Please note that the thread is not a flame war and it's
not at all about blaming or complaining. It is about different
opinions and getting the green back. And it's not about "every
little change". It is about far reaching decisions made by some
not involving the community. That's in direct conflict with the
argumentation that given for the renaming scheme that "TYPO3" very
much stands for the 


Now here I see something:

>Imho typo3.english is a fine place to discuss stuff when everyone watches 
>their language and tries to respect the work of others.

Alright, could be. The advantage of a dedicated "typo3-about" list
for "meta" discussions I see are:

We usually have different groups for different topics.

People can select that group if they are interested.

You can post a short info in "typo3-english" about a new topic in
"typo3-about". That way we can reach almost anybody and still keep
"typo3-english" "clean".

Posts are being archived. If you want to find out later about what
has been said it's much easier it it's in an archive specialized
for meta stuff.

In contrast to you I think it will *reduce* the risk of initiating
flame wars.

@Xavier: I guess it's not the amount of newsgroups that's keeping
us busy but the amount of postings we're watching. A separate
group can lower that number, and IMHO it's easier to prevent
flamewars. Which reduces the number again.

It could serve as an information channel where one can let the
community know that some process is going on which will influence
the community.

Now that "TYPO3" stands for many products I definitely see the
need to have a place to talk about how they relate. And no, I'm in
no way thinking about flame wars.

Looking back: It has been admitted regretted by Kian, Robert and
those involved that communicating the process of the rebranding
stuff did not really take place. All said they'll definitely do
better next time. I'm sure they have the best will. But *how* can
they do it if there is no place for this?

I'm afraid, if we don't have a mailinglist=newsgroup dedicated for
community issues the next communication disaster is bound to come.
Not because somebody is intending that. It it's due to the fact
that there isn't a well implemented way to start or influence
opinion building in the community.

There's one more reason to invoke a dedicated "typo3-about" group:

If we're continuing to have "typo3-english", which I assume, this
now has a really broad meaning: It stands for everything that the
term "TYPO3" now encompasses. I find that much to unspecific. I
don't think it's fair to ask everyone who is interested in
community developments that (s)he has to scan the "typo3-english"
list for that.