[TYPO3-english] worried about 4.x (6.x)

Sat Oct 13 13:26:00 CEST 2012

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I wrote my email because Andi accussed Jigal being a liar. But that is
not true.

Kind regards
Steffen

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On 10/12/12 1:31 AM, Sergey Alexandrov wrote:
> Guys,
> 
> PLEASE stop this flame already. If you want to fight each other, please
> do that privately.
> 
> Thank you very much for understanding.
> 
> Sergey.
> 
> On 10/11/2012 7:10 PM, Steffen Gebert wrote:
> Hi Andi,
> 
> although I've promised to not respond to any of your mails, here's my
> feedback.
> 
>>>> Jigal stop with those false accusations too as they are simply wrong!
> No, basically it is true. You've sent me your SSH key, but then nothing
> happened, as always. You expect everybody to do everything for you, but
> yourself, you do nothing.
> 
>>>> I spent nights in 2008 over months with other t3o people what you
>>>> probably have forgotten also many other contributions - also for
>>>> templavoila - check the ter ;-). dont forget the tutorials which are
>>>> still mentioned/linked often..
> I don't care at all what you did 4 years ago. 4 years! Man, that's a
> long time. You keep us telling since 4 years that you've spent your
> nights for TYPO3? Who here does not? And not just for a couple of months!
> 
>>>> If you get talked by people of the association like me well than
>>>> please do it yourself. I mean styling a forum. this is simply no
>>>> democracy. i dont need the forum i am happy with list by the way. did
>>>> anyone who actually wanted the forum respond - NO so simply stop this
>>>> part of t3o and invest that time in better things. This is what we
>>>> decided after the response from t3a member.
> Why do you say "stop investing time there"? YOU offered that you can do
> it. Result: Nothing. How is a forum styling and democracy related?
> You're writing nonsense all the time! You're just demanding other people
> to do things for you. Ah.. sorry, I'm repeating myself, but well..
> that's what your emails basically contain. You repeat yourself over and
> over again. It's really a pain.
> 
> If you don't believe me, here you are:
> http://lists.typo3.org/pipermail/typo3-english/2012-July/081684.html
> 
> I don't care, if you've been pissed off! You promised to do it and did
> simply nothing (okay.. you wrote long mails instead, once again)!
> 
> And you're deciding to stop doing things after an email by a T3A member.
> A T3A member? Not even the president of the TYPO3 Association?
> Seriously? Read your own postings. How many members of Core teams,
> Design teams etc. would have to quit, if they would follow your path.
> Read twitter. How many "you suck" tweets have been sent because of 6.0,
> FLOW3 -> Flow, the logo etc. You're childish, sorry, I can't say
> anything else.
> 
> Don't expect me to read your answer, if it's longer than my email.
> 
> Kind regards
> Steffen
> 
> -- Steffen Gebert
> TYPO3 CMS Core Team Member
> TYPO3 Server Administration Team Member
> 
> TYPO3 .... inspiring people to share!
> Get involved: http://typo3.org
> 
> I work for TYPO3 solely in my spare time. If you think that
> my work helps you running your business, you are invited to
> send me a donation via PayPal to this email address. Thanks
> 
> On 10/11/12 8:46 AM, Andi wrote:
>>>> Jigal stop with those false accusations too as they are simply wrong!
>>>>
>>>> If you get talked by people of the association like me well than
>>>> please do it yourself. I mean styling a forum. this is simply no
>>>> democracy. i dont need the forum i am happy with list by the way. did
>>>> anyone who actually wanted the forum respond - NO so simply stop this
>>>> part of t3o and invest that time in better things. This is what we
>>>> decided after the response from t3a member.
>>>>
>>>> I spent nights in 2008 over months with other t3o people what you
>>>> probably have forgotten also many other contributions - also for
>>>> templavoila - check the ter ;-). dont forget the tutorials which are
>>>> still mentioned/linked often..
>>>>
>>>> let's see what will happen in future and how many more people will
>>>> move away.. If this is the goal simply continue like now.
>>>>
>>>> enjoy what you have and be the change you wanna see in the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from Andi's iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2012, at 13:22, Jigal van Hemert
>>>> <jigal.van.hemert at typo3.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll answer for the sake of the rest of the community. Andi, please
>>>>> stop writing the same false statements over and over again. So far
>>>>> your contribution to the project have been limited to complaining
>>>>> and spreading false accusations.
>>>>> You've promised to help with the styling of the forum interface (or
>>>>> have some of your great developers do this), but after various
>>>>> requests for your user data you still haven't done a single thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 11-10-2012 3:43, Andi wrote:
>>>>>> it is most of core developers who dont care since yearsas
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>> Make it fair - support Dmitry, Toleiv Ron Hall, Jeff Segars etc.
>>>>> Dmitry, Tolleiv and Jeff *are* core developers. If they need
>>>>> anything in the core they can add it themselves or ask other devs to
>>>>> help with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> TemplaVoilà has been developed by core developers and has always
>>>>> been maintained by core developers.
>>>>>
>>>>> If TemplaVoilà is so extremely important for you and your clients it
>>>>> would be logical that you would have some of your developers help
>>>>> with fixing bugs for TemplaVoilà or develop new features. You have
>>>>> never supported TemplaVoilà in any way, except perhaps by
>>>>> complaining about everything else.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Jigal van Hemert
>>>>> TYPO3 CMS Core Team member
>>>>>
>>>>> TYPO3 .... inspiring people to share!
>>>>> Get involved: typo3.org
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