[TYPO3-english] Rebranding: Get the green back

[Tonix (Antonio Nati)]

Il 10/10/2012 20:54, Jigal van Hemert ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> On 10-10-2012 17:20, Tonix (Antonio Nati) wrote:
>> Coming from enterprise projects, I feel TYPO3 original founder had great
>> analysis skills, so TYPO3 architecture has been deeply thought and
>> designed. About actual developers, I have the feeling they are
>> technologically skilled but lack any architectural vision.
>>
>> Did you even realize actual kickstarter is incompatible with a serious
>> usage of foreign keys in MySQL? If I want to use transactions and
>> foreign keys I have to make it externally to kickstarter. kickstarter is
>> a great tool, and with a few improvements would become a central point
>> for development. Making it better and more usable would have been a huge
>> improvement. A huge evolution in work quality!
>
> It's not a restriction of the kickstarter but of the core. We support 
> a subset of MySQL syntax to be able to support other DBMS such as 
> Oracle, PostgreSQL, MS SQL. Support for these DBMS is done in the 
> system extension DBAL. It rewrites queries, adds functions to some 
> DBMS to be able to support MySQL syntax, etc.
> DBAL was originally written by Kasper Skårhøj, later expanded by 
> Karsten Dambekalns (currently one of the Flow/Neos developers) and 
> Xavier Perseguers (release manager of TYPO3 4.6) (who still maintains 
> it).
>
> The other DBMS are supported to enable especially enterprises which 
> can't or won't have MySQL to run TYPO3.
>

This is well clear.  And it means no foreign keys, no transactions, no 
stored procedure, no, no, no...

I feel typo3 has extended too much, providing a lot of limited 
possibilities.
There are lot of better libraries outside, and typo3 should be kept thin 
as possible.

About DB, it should adopt one for making advanced develpoment, or its 
life as enterprise framework is limited.


>> I'd like to have better security features, better and safer login,
>> improved kickstart, improved MySQL DDL/DML handling, improved general
>> extension schemas, all things to improve robustness and security, and
>> which would improve team cohoperation.
>
> You're welcome to contribute!

I gave my free contribution in other projects (qmail/vpopmail).

But it is strange. For useless things like flow there has been a lot of 
effort, while for useful things anyone is welcome to contribute!


>
> For security features, contact the security team [1]. (For obvious 
> reasons they are less public in handling issues)
> For other contributions you can file a report in the bug tracker (also 
> used for features and task), assign it to yourself and push your patch.
> [2][3][4][5]
>

Already done.
Here we call it a hole in the water.

> If you're unsure about the best place for your contributions you can 
> always contact our community manager Ben van 't Ende. He knows every 
> team and can hook you up with the right persons.
>
>> So, I see TYPO3 as going to be a webmaster tool, not a development
>> framework for serious developers.
>
> Neos is the CMS. It is indeed meant to make the live of editors easy, 
> just as every CMS. This was also the reason for Kasper to create TYPO3.
> Flow is the framework to create your applications, packages on. These 
> packages can be used in Neos to extend the functionality.
>

Just advertising. Probably I'm losing time, future is elsewhere.

Regards,

Tonino


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