[TYPO3-english] Is there any need for an English TYPO3 discussion forum?

Sun Jul 15 21:44:49 CEST 2012

Hi Steffen

It is the way some people from the T3 Top are treating those willing to help! Even they know that those people helped and help already many times for TYPO3. Ask them as they could help instead of blaming those who are willing to help.

TYPO3 could have a much much better active participation if in the leader team would be more community sense instead of ego and company sense. Similar to what was mentioned today on the german Mailinglist that the German speaking Part is quite "elitaer" well than ask those to help first! 

How many TYPO3 Integrators does TYPO3 meanwhile have - I am proud to be not one of them!
As i offered my help and got blamed. (not by you steffen!) How many companies get listed on TYPO3.org? Perhaps it is better to ask all of them first as they use TYPO3.org as advertising platform while i.e. our can not! Like many others of those who are more than willing to help if their woule be a bit more community and less companysense in the T3Management.

I.e.we did finish the complete Thai translation of TYPO3, Helped over months (til the missing leadership problem) very active in TYPO3 Reorg - checkout mind42 etc. and steped in in many other places when help was needed but as a result of this you only get a feedback like: "simply stop" or other kind of blames. 

Yes TYPO3 needs help, a lot of help, as like discussed today on the German List there are Developers who cant speak or read English ( and perhaps never knew about Google Translate ) to help those it would be good to translate everything in German! Should be easy as the majority of devs and companies is coming from Germany!

Yes there is actually a very good solution as Forum/Mailinglist not only for English but it could be for any Mailinglist! Well how many people has the mailinglist daily. Everyone answering to here should first think about how he actually helped the typo3.org website or TYPO3 community to make TYPO3 more known and better available! 

In the sailingclub I was years ago we had simply times we had to help or Give those people who help reward points for each hour spend. The benefit could be i.e. to get listed. Forvsure all those " Integrators" present their Integrator certificate everywhere, but what does it actually say? 

Perhaps this

1. As a TYPO3 Integrator i can use a product without helping to get this product running for the community which needs this product to
2. As a TYPO3 Integrator i don't care sommuch about the community needs, i.e. to get others better known about TYPO3 using this new FudForum. 
3. As a german speaking TYPO3 Integrator i try to keep all people who can not speak other languages than our T3Language German

Etc pp.

But what about this. Make it like the Pilots and start checking your TYPO3 Integrators every year. This coul bringblots of financial resources to even employ or sponsor those who are not TYPO3 Itegrators but not only knowledgable in TYPO3 but also very willing to help.

Lets say you can present you TYPO3 Integrator certificate also in the next year to your customers if you either help 5 half days a year for developing TYPO3 core, website, training and dokumentation. - exclude extension development itself. or pay the eqivalent price in Euro for 20 hours of work a year!

Check how many Integrators you have. Take the ratio of how many Integrators are already helping, muliply the rest with the 20 Hour equivalent in Euro. You will soon realize that most of those TYPO3 Certificate Paper Tigers will be willingly pay and now you can support those who are willing to help and give them i.e. a listing with star for actively helping TYPO3 in 2012 etc. Or a dollar sign for actively funding. Than customers could see the difference of TYPO3 Integrators much easier and get involved people.

"Together" TYPO3 could be much more powerful but the current attitude of the decision makers is simply a complete blocker!

Andi

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On 15 ก.ค. 2555, at 15:43, Steffen Gebert <steffen.gebert at typo3.org> wrote:

> Okay, as nobody of the people "offering" their help really does any work, I guess we will not have a forum in the near future.
> 
> Very sad. I expected more community power from people not being involved in a lot of teams already.
> 
> Kind regards
> Steffen
> 
> -- 
> Steffen Gebert
> TYPO3 v4 Core Team Member
> TYPO3 Server Administration Team Member
> 
> TYPO3 .... inspiring people to share!
> Get involved: http://typo3.org
> 
> I work for TYPO3 solely in my spare time. If you think that
> my work helps you running your business, you are invited to
> send me a donation via PayPal to this email address. Thanks
> 
> 
> Am 5/14/12 3:20 PM, schrieb Steffen Gebert:
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>> Dear Thomas, dear Andreas,
>> 
>> as also mentioned in this thread, there is a concrete plan to have an
>> official TYPO3 forum since last year's typo3.org relaunch week.
>> 
>> One prerequisite was that this forum stays in sync with newsgroups and
>> mailing lists. The good thing is that there is a nice software out
>> there, which makes this possible: FUDforum.
>> 
>> The only problem is that the person in charge isn't able to finish this
>> project (in a short-term scale). I did some improvements around
>> Christmas, however I also have already a lot of other responsibilities
>> inside the TYPO3 project.
>> Technically, everything is working fine already. The only problems,
>> which remain is that there are still a lot of design issues - we have a
>> PSD template, which "only" has to be implemented.
>> 
>> Andreas, what about getting your hands dirty and finishing the forum? I
>> really think that it is not too much work left and it would be very nice
>> to *finally* have this forum.
>> Would you be available to do this? If yes, please send me your SSH key
>> and I will give you access to the development server (and a short
>> introduction).
>> 
>> If no one of you jumps in to finish and maintain that project, I see no
>> way to have it in production much before the end of the year.
>> 
>> Kind regards
>> Steffen
>> 
>> BTW: Please don't use http://forumdev.typo3.org
>> 
>> - --
>> Steffen Gebert
>> TYPO3 v4 Core Team Member
>> TYPO3 Server Administration Team Member
>> 
>> TYPO3 .... inspiring people to share!
>> Get involved: http://typo3.org
>> 
>> I work for TYPO3 solely in my spare time. If you think that
>> my work helps you running your business, you are invited to
>> send me a donation via PayPal to this email address. Thanks
>> 
>> On 14.05.12 13:06, Thomas Skierlo wrote:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>> 
>>> I'm a German living in the Netherlands, who prefers to discuss technical
>>> matters in English forums and lists. I'm a participating on this list
>>> for about two month now, and I like the friendliness and quality of it
>>> very much.
>>> 
>>> All official TYPO3 documentation is in English and the product localizes
>>> extremely well. I think that many people, like me before, do not
>>> subscribe to mailing lists, mainly because they are looking for other
>>> forms of information first, like discussion forums, which might be a
>>> more modern approach -- at least a more convenient one.
>>> 
>>> One major aspect of a forum is the fact, that beginners get good hints,
>>> mainly from other, more advanced beginners and intermediates. A forum
>>> therefore could help to keep the very basic questions out of the mailing
>>> lists, which always will cover more advanced topics.
>>> 
>>> If you use Google for some usage statistics you'll find out that TYPO3's
>>> acceptance is extremely good for the German (or similar) language
>>> countries, like Austria, Switzerland, the Netherlands, and it's
>>> popularity and installation-count is decreasing outside the EU and
>>> Scandinavian countries. Imagine yourself a young turkish CMS developer,
>>> who wants to learn more about TYPO3. Besides the official documentation
>>> he or she would hunt for information in Turkish or English language, but
>>> definitely no in German.
>>> 
>>> Today we have two well administrated and lively forums in German
>>> language and, at least after my short research, not even one in English.
>>> Other users and I suggested an "English" section for the most active
>>> German TYPO3 forum at http://www.typo3forum.net
>>> <http://www.typo3forum.net/> , and the makers behind it would agree to
>>> open one (or more), if it would really be of general interest.
>>> 
>>> I was asked to discuss this matter on the mailing list -- voilà. I'm a
>>> plain user of the forum mentioned, and not an owner or maker of it
>>> 
>>> Would you like to have an English language subsection on this popular
>>> forum - not as an alternative to this excellent mailing list, but as an
>>> addition? If yes, which structure should it have?
>>> 
>>> All of you who can read German will find the active discussion under
>>> http://www.typo3forum.net/forum/aenderungen/49716-typo3-forum-englisch.html.
>>> Use this thread as well if you like.
>>> 
>>> TIA for any feedback,
>>> 
>>> Thomas Skierlo
>>> 
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