[TYPO3-english] choosing typo3

Sat Mar 27 02:03:40 CET 2010

Andi,
Great post, thanks,
Virgil

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Andreas Becker <ab.becker at web.de> wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Dmitry Dulepov <dmitry.dulepov at gmail.com
> >wrote:
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> > Hi!
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> > Andreas Becker wrote:
> > > The most interesting part is that most of those who now are using TYPO3
> > used
> > > Joomla or Drupal before.
> >
> > And vice versa... Just to be fair.
> >
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> This might be true in Germany but not here as TYPO3 is nearly unknown here.
> South East Asia is simply Joomla Playground and people get tired of always
> renewing their templates and waiting for developers being available again
> to
> modify their websites. Same appears to Drupal. Some customers came to us
> because of the fear that the new Version of Drupal will break their
> complete
> sites and they realized that TYPO3 has never broken anything since 3.6 or
> even 3.5. Also they realized that their sites - especially those made with
> Joomla - have to much sql injection and other security problems and that
> their sites are more down than up. Especially now in recession people are
> looking for ways to do part of the works or even everything by themselves
> without to depend to any developers. And exactly here was Joomla and Drupal
> were big as people did not think about security at all. They clicked and
> had
> their templates. They downloaded a skin and their site looked nice. They
> did
> not worry at the beginning to rework the complete CMS and Template after a
> new Version or Scurity update of Joomla or Drupal. They did this before the
> same way like they knew it from setting up Websites with HTML or Flash. You
> wanna change something ok renew everything.
>
> Meanwhile the word has been spread that a CMS can be much much more and
> actually reduce your workload. People don't want to loose their content
> with
> every new update or security fix. They want to update the extensions with a
> click and switch back immediately to a former version if problems occur
> even
> without knowledge of PHP or even programming at all. They want to modify
> their templates with some few clicks. Move around content into different
> mixed columns so that their website looks more like a magazine. All of this
> is possible with TYPO3 and Joomla and Drupal fail completely. Modex is
> actually the only one which is a bit similar but here many other major
> benefits of a CMS are missing.
>
> Our experience is indeed that people who want a flexible and easy to handle
> website switch to TYPO3. Programmers which don't like Typoscript (most of
> them even don't know what it is! or have ever tried it) go to Drupal and
> made Joomla before. Especially now after the release of WEC Starter Package
> and Busy Noggins Starter Package Everyone - even non programmers can handle
> TYPO3 websites and it is getting even more and more easier, while in Joomla
> and Drupal you really depend on Developers who know PHP or SMARTY or what
> else. I would say that TYPO3 is empowering people to do it by themselves
> (if
> they are using the framework for templavoila)  and they get independent of
> developers - while in Drupal, Joomla and also the TYPO3 standard templating
> sites are empowering Developers to make Customers depended on them.
>
> i.e.
> We tested Drupal, Joomla, TYPO3 standard templating from scratch, TYPO3
> standarding template Package from Mediatech, wec_starter Package, Ron Halls
> Package, with students from University to find out more why they are using
> or not using a CMS, Everyone had to setup a website with these Packages and
> modify a template as well as ad some basic features and build up a site
> structure which was flexible enough to move apply changes in position of
> content and sites later on.
>
> TYPO3 standard templating form scratch failed completly - sorry to say
> this,
> but most gave up just after they had the Dummy Package installed and tried
> to get a template working. - They did not like that they had to read lots
> of
> stuff about how to do this and often it was not very understandable for
> them
> to.
>
> The mediatech Package was liked by many. It had a very easy to understand
> description from Gregs website and sites where up and running in no time.
> But when they had to get the different column settings running it failed.
> To
> complicated to apply nice multi columns like in a newspaper or seen on many
> common websites. It might change with JOEYs IRRE stuff but to be honest
> until now I doubt it.
>
> Joomla (well we are in a Joomla world here) was at the beginning the big
> favorite. But only at the beginning. People had sites up and running with a
> nice looking template in nearly no time but than the problems started when
> they had to modify the templates and finally it failed totally to setup a
> flexible column setting which the customer could use by himself.
>
> Drupal was also one of the favorites but failed the same like Joomla before
> when people had to modify templates and to make it flexible so that
> actually
> the customer can choose and set it up in columns by himself.
>
> Rons Package was one of the easiest to setup and the students liked the way
> they were now able to apply skins. But still they had problems to get the
> TYPOscript Parts running.
>
> The wec_starter Package was the absolute winner in all disciplines. This is
> why I have since 2 weeks every day new students in my office popping up who
> want to learn more about TYPO3. When you ask the students they'll tell you
> that the wec Package is the easiest and the best documented CMS at all. In
> really no time the students had complete websites running which really
> looked sometimes like newspaper settings. Some of them started even to
> collaborate with each other so one was developing a template which was than
> used by others and another group buildup an extension (realty) and inserted
> demo content and with using .t3d import export feature at the end everybody
> had the realty stuff also working in his own site in no time. No one had
> problem with Jesus inside. They figured immediately out how to deactivate
> the wec_about and how to change the wordings and extensions, i.e. the
> jobboard. What they also liked was the "Feature" Settings in wec config.
> With a click they were able to activate and deactivate complete branches.
>
> To be fair we need to share another experience we made while doing this CMS
> experiment. There were some programming "Gurus" under the students and they
> - but only them liked the standard templating methode and digged deeper in
> the code and also they liked Drupal more than the wec_starter package. In
> their opinon the wec_starter package was no programming anymore and they
> did
> not like this. Most graphic and design people liked most the wec_starter
> Package - actually the skins - but they had problems to get some HTML parts
> into the TYPOscripts of the skins.
>
> Go out and test yourself. It would be interesting to hear from your
> experiences too.
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> Andi
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> > --
> > Dmitry Dulepov
> > TYPO3 expert / TYPO3 security team member Read more @
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