[TYPO3-english] Introduction on which level? (Was: License of the introduction package)

[bernd wilke]

Am Mon, 12 Jul 2010 23:45:11 +0700 schrieb Andreas Becker:

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there are a lot of intro-packes to TYPO3. 
but there is no information which package targets which kind of user.

there are users which ...
- came from programming.
- know about other CMS.
- are willing to learn more (Typoscript, PHP, extensions, development)
- just want to use a CMS without knowledge of any configuration or 
programming)
- know that a good (server-)configuration needs knowledge 
- will pay for services and knowledge
- want to uses others work without giving back
- just want to do some clicks and have a running website (for no money 
and with the request for full support-service).

IMHO especially the last one will be a problem after a short time:
if it is too easy to build up a running website these users will expect 
furthermore to have each possible feature which just some clicks.

I think they will not dig into TYPO3 to do further configuration, but 
will complain about promises of "TYPO3 can do anything" - but not for them 
- as nobody can wrap everything in TYPO3 (and extensions) to have a huge 
construction kit for everything.

All the available starter-packages need a clear description to whom they 
target, which knowledge is needed to manage the package and which further 
knowlege can be gained with the documentation which is provided (if any 
is provided).

We (TYPO3-UG-NRW) build a package to teach the basics of typoscript for a 
new page. But you need to build your own HTML/CSS. and no further 
extensions were handled.

The new introduction-package uses some extensions which are not necessary 
for every running TYPO3 installation. but there is no documentation to 
build a website without it. 
And if you force TV into the introduction-package all TYPO3-newbies which 
start with it for a simple webpage with only some clicks will rarely be 
able to build TYPO3-sites without TV (and will run into problems with 
special requirements conflicting or problematic with TV).


TYPO3 knows a lot of ways to produce results and there are pros and cons 
with each ways. Spreading the (k)news about TYPO3 need to show all ways, 
not one single way which just covers 30-70% of the possibilities of TYPO3.

and introduction documentations need to build the full way from newbie to 
expert.


in the last months I noticed tendencies to build up TYPO to an experts-
only system: documentation just for geeks (high tech level and hidden in 
'secret places'), extensions and patches which exists only in forge, ...

what help is it to have some more new websites based on TYPO3 if the 
owners will get frustrated after the wish for enhancments?
who will update those pages based on introduction package (construction 
kit)?
with the first neccessary security update these package is no longer for 
newbies but experts are needed? [1] who tells it to the users?  how 
disappointed will they be if the get the starting for free, just to get a 
big bill presented afterwards without warning?


[1]
1. everybody can build a website with the introduction package (without 
further knowledge)
2. each website needs an expert to manage all security-requirements like 
updates (as everyone knows)

bernd
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