[TYPO3-english] License of the introduction package

Mon Jul 12 18:45:11 CEST 2010

Hi Ben

Templavoila!

Here in Asia they simply don't like the way standard templating is working
in TYPO3 and they stay with Joomla. The WEC Package therefore does a much
better job even Jesus is (or because Jesus is) build inside ;-) We actually
have made out of this a lightweight Business Package which is 100%
compatible to all WEC Standard stuff and settings and works just fine.

The feedback we just became last weekend again was that TYPO3 sucks.
We asked them which CMS they were using/trying and why they are using it and
why they are NOT using TYPO3 until our workshop.
The answers from about 50% of participants which worked already or tried out
CMS but are not using TYPO3:
They are not using it because:
1. that there are no templates (most named case),
2. It is to difficult to setup and to modify (2. rang) and
3. the documentation is missing and very difficult to understand.

The other questions we asked was how they started and most started with the
new Introduction Package, and they did not know about the WEC package before
or wasn't able to find it - mostly because they had spelling problems to
write the long word "webempoweredchurch" as we found out.

When we showed them the new WEC Package and installed it with them, they
learned how to upload an extension (mainly they started loading up other
skins for the framework for templavoila to try them out) Than they deleted
stuff like devotional journal etc but ALL want to join us tomorrow in a SIPA
Seminar to promote ThaiPo3 now so happy are they now - this is our TYPO3 and
Free Open Source Software Usergroup here in Phuket. From 7 Interns which
started on Tuesday and from the weekend 5 more who came to a training for
starters "How to setup a website using a CMS" (TYPO3 was not mentioned in
the announcement) we are now 18 as those students went back to
their colleagues and reported about the great and very well documented  WEC
stuff (with lots of images, shortvideos and easy to follow point to point
steps). Here at the local university they can study CMS - until now they
teach unfortunately only Joomla and Mambo. We hoe to change this soon.

This is our newest experience from last week and the weekend in practice to
promote TYPO3 in a JOOMLA and copy/paste Country.

Here is a huge market in Asia but with standard templating the people get
frustrated here.

So my suggestion would be to get a TemplaVoila Introduction Package running
in the same manor the WEC package is running but put simply the religious
stuff out and insert a language switcher! (This is actually what our Package
for trainings is too) This package should use the framework for templavoila
and wec_config as those 2 things beside the growing number of templateskins
is what people really like.

Simply build a package what EVERYBODY could use. Than the word get spread
and companies will hire TYPO3 people to setup their sites. It really will
create lots of new projects and jobs.

Andi

On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 7:01 PM, ben van 't ende <ben at typo3.org> wrote:

> Hey Guys,
>
> Sorry for not having reacted before. Susanne made me aware of this thread.
> Ofcourse you are able to use the Introduction Package anyway you want. The
> license mentions "You are free: to copy, distribute, display, and perform
> the
> work". So I am not sure what we can do to make that clearer. Any
> suggestions are
> welcome.
>
> @Andreas: You point to the WEC packages a number of times in your posts. We
> feel
> we have created a lightweight 'best practices' package mainly for first
> time
> users. Is there anything you like to see added to the Introduction Package?
>
> gRTz
>
> ben
>    *
>
> On 10/07/10 13:29, Andreas Becker wrote:
> > Well
> >
> > GPL you can use it in a commercial way!
> >
> > CC you often can't use it like you want!
> >
> > +1 an introduction Package should promote business with TYPO3 and
> therefore
> > needs to be open and free - i.e. with reduced features.
> >
> > A good example of a real promotion Package with lots of features and
> without
> > those CC restrictions are those form webempoweredchurch. So if you need
> some
> > more freedom than use them instead of CC stuff like the introduction
> Package
> > or the complete Yaml Stuff.
> >
> > OR even better build your own package and distribute it to your customers
> > :-)
> > This is what we do since years like others i.e. Gregory from
> Mediatech.net.
> >
> > If you don't know how to setup a Startup Package but want to provide
> > customers with one, than get in contact with us and we will see how we
> can
> > help you!
> >
> > Andi
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Tonix (Antonio Nati)
> > <tonix at interazioni.it>wrote:
> >
> >> Philipp Gampe ha scritto:
> >>
> >>  Hi again,
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:18:33 +0300, Dmitry Dulepov wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>  But I think licensing question should be clarified (i.e. CC for
> >>>> content/design, GPL for the rest). This would be good.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> This thread does not seem to get much attention, where else shall I
> post
> >>> that question?
> >>> Write an email to the association?
> >>>
> >>> BTW, my personal preference would be that that commercial use is
> >>> prohibited and private, not profit allowed.
> >>> Additionally the association could grant use for commercial purpose if
> the
> >>> user is member of the association or something like that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> For an example package, which is 99% how you would write it even if you
> >> don't see it?
> >>
> >> It should be like BSD: use it as you like, but use it!! You have success
> >> only if commercial usage is free!
> >>
> >> Tonino
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>  Best regards
> >>> Phil
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> >>
> >>
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