[TYPO3-english] beginner to plugin development

[Tonix (Antonio Nati)]

I would not be so sure about the best model for the future...

First impression about extbase and flow3 is they break completely any 
cohoperative effort between graphics and developers.
We are doing a great job integrating advanced graphic and standard or 
custom extension, respecting 100% graphics work and having complete 
coding authonomy.
We integrate and/or change graphics templates "as are" in five minutes 
(without changing a byte of graphics templates).
As far as I know, this is impossibile with extbase/fluid.

More, I read in some posts here that new caching framework is very very 
slow and should be avoided.

So, I'm wondering if extbase and flow3 are very far from the Domain 
Driven Design model and are simply driving to a useless Technology 
Driven Design.

Tonino


Rens Admiraal ha scritto:
> Hi,
>
> I must say that this makes sense... We use extbase for a big project, but it sure does need some polishing, and does feel more like alpha than like a core extension... This is nothing negative against extbase / fluid or the kickstarter, but it sure does take a lot of time to overcome some challenges which you will certainly find on your path if you do complex things like extending tables for example...
>
> In my opinion extbase is really cool, but there is still work to do, but if you do find your way, you'll love it :-)
>
> For now: if you are a starting TYPO3 developer, please follow the documented ways... If you run into problems with extbase you'll need some TYPO3 knowledge to find your solution...
>
> @Dmitry: there is a kickstarter, but just not finished yet... But it is certainly useable for the modeling part!
>
> Greetz,
> Rens
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: typo3-english-bounces at lists.typo3.org [mailto:typo3-english-bounces at lists.typo3.org] On Behalf Of Dmitry Dulepov
> Sent: dinsdag 16 februari 2010 8:43
> To: typo3-english at lists.typo3.org
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-english] beginner to plugin development
>
> Hi!
>
> On 2010-02-15 22:49:59 +0200, David Bruchmann said:
>   
>> Concerning your point of stableness I'd like to here the details of 
>> that you think that they are not stable or will change ...
>>     
>
> There is no kickstarter. There is no documentation for Extbase or Fluid (no even extension manual). Official blogExample extension does not work smoothly in any its version. This is what I call "not stable". I consider the feature stable when:
> – API is not changing
> – no major (!) internal changes in last half a year – there is a complete documentation – there are working tutorials and examples – (for Extbase) there is a working kickstarter
>
> In other words, it is stable if people can use it without hacking it every time. This is the case with "old" approach: kickstarter generates the skeleton, you add a bit of your code and you got an extension. This is not the case yet with Extbase. It is "alpha" in my opinion: you have to code all manually, you have no docs, you have to debug its core if anything goes wrong. It is not stable. It does not let you to make your work, it forces you to sidetrack. It should not happen.
>
> I must tell that it is not a bad side of Extbase. It is a common problem for any new technology developed as open source. It needs some time to become stable. Than it will be widely adopted. People will gain a lot from it when it becomes stable.
>
> In my opinion Extbase is a big step forward for TYPO3 but it needs a lot of polishing and ASAP. If I were one of T3A big guys, I would push this as much as possible...
>
> --
> Dmitry Dulepov
> TYPO3 expert / TYPO3 security team member Read more @ http://dmitry-dulepov.com/
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