[TYPO3-english] so called TYPO3-supporting providers

[Ron Hall]

Hi Andi,

Athough I believe the Association should not bother itself with  
policing hosts who simply say they support TYPO3, I also believe your  
idea of a hosting certification has merit. I could see it working like  
the current developer certification. The Association could  
legitimately charge fees since time would needed for verifying and  
monitoring the certified hosts and hosts would gain value by being  
certified.

Ron Hall
Busy Noggin, Inc.



On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:09 AM, Andreas Becker wrote:

> Hi All
> Good Bad Hoster
>
> So many people did already many sites about nearly everything  
> concerning
> more knowledge community security ... of TYPO3 why don't make simply  
> one
> about TYPO3 Hosting.
>
> make a sub in typo3.org and here you put some ab_linklist in or any  
> other
> extension which allows ratings and commenting and than simply name the
> hosters. If many customers complain about what you just told above I  
> am
> pretty sure that you can convince this customer to have a look at  
> this.
>
> IMHO also the Association could do a lot. They could simply issue a  
> TYPO3
> certified Hoster. Setup the benchmarks for a high quality TYPO3  
> Hosting not
> low. Additional the Association could do even more. They could issue a
> guideline or even better a Manual for Hosters HOW to host TYPO3 as a  
> Hoster.
> What are the requirements, security issues, updating and so on. As  
> our goal
> can't be to restrict TYPO3 only for some qualified hosters we should
> increase the number of high quality hosters in teaching them how to  
> do it
> right. Many of those small hosting companies out there especially in  
> Europe
> and Germany and also those elsewhere would be happy to get such a  
> Manual to
> set up an ideal Hosting Environment which fits the need for fast  
> secure and
> reliable TYPO3 websites!
>
> More high quality Hosters will result in more happy TYPO3 customers  
> which
> spread the word about TYPO3 and this is what actually everybody I  
> guess
> wants here.
>
> There have been so often threads on the list about how to host TYPO3  
> and
> always the answer came that it would be different from case to case.  
> How can
> Mittwald run their environment with so many different cases as one  
> single
> Hoster? Simply help those who want to HOST TYPO3 in telling them how  
> to do
> it right.
>
> Andi
>
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 9:40 PM, Ron Hall <ronslists at busynoggin.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Bernd,
>>
>> If it is a matter of cost, it is sometimes helpful to point out that
>> they will not be saving money by using a substandard host. They will
>> spend more money on workarounds than the difference between hosts.
>>
>> Take for example the case of IM & GM, without those applications they
>> will need to adjust all their images by hand. They have to factor in
>> their labor costs for that.
>>
>> Personally, my experience is that if the difference of a few euros  
>> per
>> month is bothersome to them then generally they are not prepared to
>> properly pay for development either.
>>
>> You are correct that sometimes clients can be stubborn in such  
>> things.
>> But be careful, as if they continue to be stubborn after being being
>> faced with reality on this then they will be unrealistic in other
>> areas as well. Unrealistic clients equate to higher stress and lower
>> profit for the developer.
>>
>> Ron Hall
>> Busy Noggin, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2009, at 9:15 AM, bernd wilke wrote:
>>
>>> Am Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:34:10 +0200 schrieb David Bruchmann:
>>>
>>>> A list wouldn't be bad but it has to consider many optional  
>>>> libraries
>>>> i.e. for pdf-, office-, etc. that are possible or required for some
>>>> extensions.
>>>
>>> for me that would be a nice add-on as I didn't need these tools yet.
>>> and getting these tools is more complicated than just IM, which some
>>> provider install at least (but hide very well). without exec() you
>>> can't
>>> start very much.
>>>
>>>> Nevertheless the case is easy:
>>>> A ship can't be parked in a garage for cars. Your customer has to
>>>> accept
>>>> that you are unable to change requirements. Perhaps he should
>>>> change to
>>>> wordpress or something else.
>>>
>>> you don't believe how stubborn some clients can be. and sometimes it
>>> is
>>> about some euros these provider are cheaper than a good TYPO3-
>>> provider.
>>> no one cares about support, backup, availibility or the work for the
>>> developer. And as I know TYPO3 best I prefer to run TYPO3 than doing
>>> debugging with other software.
>>>
>>> bernd
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