Hi, is it possible to generate a ul menu so that the first level isn't rendered. i use the first level for an horizontal menu on the top.. greets nico -- Nico Potvin KAN Design Antwerpen - Belgium Phone: +32 (0)3 203 41 69 Fax: +32 (0)3 225 14 05 E-mail: nico.potvin at kandesign.com http://www.kandesign.com