[TYPO3] 5th column?

[Tapio Markula]

Erik Svendsen wrote:
> Hello Tapio,
> 
> This discussion shouldn't be brought any further, it's a dead end. But I 
> have to give som short comment.

> The logical understanding of the question is; "he is using the classic 
> page module"

I start what is the apparent

>But I have no problem accepting "Use TemplaVoila" a "bad" advice

I don't disagree but you should express it as another kind of solution

> it's a possibility, but certainly not the best one. But why react this 
> way, "it is complety another kind of solution - IMO too complex in most 
> cases", who I find a bit "hostile".

ok, i apologize but I was just a little bit annoyed answering into 
MTB-question asking using TV

> And I would never adviced someone who was using the classic page module, 
> change to TV in order to solve a problem who can be solved an easier 
> way, and opposite. 

You found my point - one person (I don't remember who) gave advice to 
solve MTB-issue using TV

> Will never agree. But ones logic isn't anothers.

agreed


> Skinning is for me a "nice to have, but not neccessary feature".

ok then - I just think this issue at the sight of end-user

> I'm using mostly predefined XML who i load, and then some small 
> correction. About 10 - 15 minutes on a site with two different 
> HTML-templates. I'm using nearly the same amount of time putting in the 
> neccessary comments into the HTML file for automaketemplate.

ok

> changed the backend in a radical way. I think a lot of people didn't 
> like it, but it was necessary. And if TYPO3 Association when developing 
> version 5.0 comes to the conclusion that either TV or Classic page 
> module isn't the right way, emerging technologies gives us new 
> opportunities who are better, I have no problem with such a decission.

but MTB could be supported at least as an extension - as now TemplaVoila

>> IMO TemplaVoila has some complexities for end-users.

> My end-users don't give any of these respons.

When I tested it I found some issues confusing and complex. In addition 
of changing templates unused elements and make reference.


> I don't think anyone want you to stop using classic page module and MTB. 
> But I think a lot of people want you stop using expressions like this 
> "Extremely annoyin feature in TemplaVoila is that is *very bad for 
> skinning*", "I can't hate more this kind of designing. 

sorry - my frustration. One e-mail friend asked me alter TemplaVoila 
layout but I just frustrated that it was impossible without XCLASSing
and I'm not ready to make big XCLASSing for TemplaVoila.

> has too much borders.", and pushing tm_contentaccess like you have done.

Sorry

> Bullshit (pardon my not very polite expression), making websites is a 
> teamwork

I fact I work alone. I get templates always ready made except one 
exception). Endeed I made the one table-based.