[TYPO3-dev] FLOW3 / TYPO3 5.0

[JoH asenau]

> For the record: the fact that you cut out my question about a source
> for your statements about the reasons to start the TYPO3 Association
> (which didn't match the Association's official mission statement) is
> an indication to me that we should stick with the published mission
> statement.

I still believe that V5 is the major goal of this mission statement.

>>> Second, some people spend time to produce money and donate it;
>>> others donate their time. I don't see much difference. Everybody
>>> here does something for TYPO3 in a way that matches their skills.
>>
>> I know that, since this is what I have done since 2002 as well.
>> But this is not about the time somebody donated for V4 but about V5
>> only.
>
> Your original statement was that ONLY by "being a member of the T3A or
> by donating a certain amount directly" had the right to complain. Now
> it's about donating time for v5 only?
> Next the donations must have been for v5 only? Or you have to tell the
> Association that you're only member for v5?

I see that this leads to nothing, since you don't seem to get the point
here:
If someone didn't pay *anthing* yet, then of course this one didn't pay for
V5 as well.

> Sorry, but I can't take this serious anymore. If development for v4
> was stopped the moment the v5 team started there was no TYPO3 product
> anymore. Users would have moved to other systems and would never come
> back to v5.

This is what you believe? - IMHO users would have made a fork of V4 which
would still be alive.
But it doesn't matter anyway, because this is pure speculation.

>> So as long as there has been neither a donation of time nor a
>> donation of money dedicated to the V5 project, IMHO it doesn't
>> matter what anybody has done for V4 - because this is a completely
>> different issue.
>
> Version 5 wants to build on the reputation of v4 and the credits v4
> has built, but you want to see it as two completely different
> projects??

Well, V5 *wants* to build on it but currently they *are* completely
different. FLOW3 is a framework which is based on a completely new code
base, there is no CMS yet and you wouldn't be able to use a single V4
extension anymore, when V5 came out today. I guess the name "Phoenix" was
given intentionally, which means: Burn down the whole thing and rebuild
something new out of it's ashes. So to many people it seems like a
completely different product, that is just backed up by the same association
and shares the manpower of only a few V4 people.

And I guess this is the major problem V5 will have to face, because
currently it can't really build upon the reputation and credits of V4 but
upon the reputation and credits of the V5 team members only. But this is
another story.

> The v5 team wants the community to trust them and wants support from
> the community by making applications on FLOW3. What I read is that the
> community wants information about the progress and a rough planning.
>
> I think that this is a fair deal between the two and I think that
> communication is -- as usual -- the key ingredient in working
> together; not bragging how much money someone donated, how many years
> someone has been helping other, how many bugs someone fixed...

Of course there must be communication! What I meant is: There is a
difference between just communicating and making demands. If you want to
make demands you have to meet the criteria I mentioned, but of course
everybody can discuss V5 development.

> Speaking of bugs, I'm going to enjoy Bug Day tomorrow and try to help
> get the release of 4.4 a bit closer :-)

Me too - CU there

Joey

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