[TYPO3-dev] FLOW3 / TYPO3 5.0

[Jigal van Hemert]

Robert Lemke wrote:
> sorry for entering the discussion at this late point in time - I first
> needed some hint to find this thread.

A "hint" :-D

> This cries for a new architecture and a new _way_ to develop as well. We
> just can't proceed like that forever. That's what most of us agree on.

This is something that should be done in more cases. I hoped that for 
example tt_news 3.0 would be a completely new version. Alas...

> I guess a mistake we made was giving the framework a name too early.
> People tend to think that TYPO3 Phoenix and FLOW3 are distinct projects.
> "We don't need FLOW3, we want TYPO3 5.0". But FLOW3 is 80% of TYPO3.

Naming cannot be an issue. Giving a framework is not the problem. 
Slartibartfast would've been an nice name too.

Maybe the idea of distinct project comes from quotes such as "FLOW3 can 
be used independently of TYPO3 as a development framework", "The FLOW3 
framework is independent from the TYPO3 CMS.",  (on the FLOW3 website)?

> Dmitry, you propose that we should set a deadline, 1 year from now and
> until then TYPO3 5.0 should be released. That doesn't make sense at all.
> What's your definition for TYPO3 5.0 being done? What's the feature set?
> Setting a deadline for something 1 year ahead is pure speculation and
> against all rules of agile development.

Reality check: a project has a budget and a feature set. You can stick 
to either of those and vary with the other or make a trade off between 
the two, but working without a deadline of some sort is not realistic.

I think the deadline proposed by Dmitry was more a way to start a 
discussion and get some answers. You can't work without some time 
schedule and deadline, unless you aim for the vaporware top 10.

> We will have our first release of TYPO3 Phoenix on Friday 14th of May.
> And the second release will be on June 11th. It'll have a small visible
> feature set which grows from sprint to sprint.

That's something to look out for!

> So, my summary for now (before the coffee) is: Guys, I appreciate your
> concerns and I understand that you're impatient. We have achieved a lot
> and it wasn't for nothing. TYPO3 Phoenix will be truly unique and excel
> any other Open Source CMS. And visible results are on the road and will
> be coming more frequently soon.

More background information during the journey would've been a lot 
better. It provides a better feeling of being a community. Besides it's 
often educational and entertaining to read about decisions, good and bad 
experiences, etc.
It also gives a community time to get used to all the features and 
techniques, and once in a while others might have good ideas too...

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