[Typo3-dev] templa voila new version, when ?

[Zach Davis]

Robert,

Cast Iron Coding will send you $250 when TV 1.0 is released -- add us to 
your list of donors ;)

best,
Zach


Robert Lemke wrote:
> Hi Alex,
> 
> media.res | alex widschwendter wrote:
> 
> 
>>in my opinion the money collected with the membership should go to these
>>projects (TV, DAM, indexed search, ...) - projects nearly everybody
>>uses... and make TYPO3 that cool ... but unfortunally are not that
>>specifiec that somebody can claim it his personal sponsored feature ;)
> 
> 
> yes, I mean, the T3A was basically founded just because we wanted to support
> developers. The point is only that currently there is not enough money to
> feed them all.
> 
> Let's do some calculation: Currently the Association has 178 members, two
> thirds of them being individuals. Individuals pay 100€ per year, companies
> 500€:
> 
> 54 * 500 = 27.000 €
> 124 * 100 = 12.400 €
> 
> Total per year: 39.400 €
> That surely is a lot of money. 
> 
> Now let's assume we want to feed 5 developers:
> 
> 40.000€ / 5 / 12 months = 666,66 €
> 
> The question is, who can live from 600€ per month? And the even more
> interesting question is: Who would like to live from 600€ per month if he
> could do commercial projects worth 6000€ per month?
> 
> In my personal opinion the solution could go into this direction:
> 
>   - Use the membership fees mainly for supporting that kind of development
> no customer would like to pay for. For TYPO3 5.0 we plan a complete
> refactoring of TCEmain for example, that is in my eyes a typical project
> the Association should support. TemplaVoila on the other hand might be a
> project which is sexy enough to raise some sponsoring from elsewhere.
> 
>   - A certain amount of money should also be spent on organisation. If we
> don't organize development, contributions and tools like typo3.org it all
> ends in a big chaos, because the TYPO3 project has become that big! I think
> that this would be a good investment, and I would also be of that opinion
> if I wasn't one of the guys who'd receive that money. 
> 
>   - Due to the limited resources of the Association developers like you and
> me (and Kasper!) will always have to take care of their income themselves,
> at least to a certain degree. I think your idea with fundable.org and other
> tools (like Paypal etc.) is a good one and I could imagine using these
> possibilities.
> 
> I don't complain that people don't pay me for TemplaVoila for example,
> because I didn't even provide them with a roadmap yet! So my question is,
> what information would you like to have which lets you having a good
> feeling to sponsor a certain project? If I know that, I should do my
> homework and publish that information.
> 
> As you know with some projects like also TemplaVoila, it's sometimes
> difficult to foresee which features will be implemented and when. If we
> would plan that completely, we would block a certain amount of innovation
> and spontaneous development. And that basically is what makes TYPO3 so
> cool: A lot of great ideas have become reality because there was the chance
> to just try it out.
> 
> The situation I dream of is that a bunch of developers are paid by the
> Association and a group of companies covering 3/4 of their time. Those who
> pay them have total confidence that they do their best to bring TYPO3
> ahead. The last quarter of their time could be used for whatever project
> they like, maybe they'd like to give some training or work on a commercial
> project implementing a website to not loose contact to the real world ...
> 
> An adpot-a-developer campaign would be great ...
> 
> Well, I'm already late with submitting my papers for TYCON3, so please
> excuse me for a while, I'll get back to the discussion later on ...
> 
> Anyway, thank you very much for bringing up this discussion. It is a topic
> which absorbs me and some other "core" developers for quite some time ..
> 
> Cheers,
> robert
>