[Typo3-dev] The donation issue - please join this debate!

[Georg Kuehnberger]

following the subjects imperative  - I couldnt resist:

Robert, Valery et al,

- what a buzz ... (sorry to interrupt the paypal bashing ;-)

- To me it seems, you're trying to establish a new (small) businessplan 
(money for service/product) and get lost trying to reinvent almost all 
wheels by discussing procedures, payment- and organizational tools;

- Let me direct to you attention to a more or less working example:
         "Buy your Feature" programme for OpenGroupware.org
         http://www.skyrix.de/en/produkte/feature-add/buy-a-new-feature.php
         Recent developments news line
         http://www.skyrix.de/en/produkte/BYF/project_state.php
         You want to make a contribution?
         http://www.skyrix.de/en/produkte/BYF/cof.php?id=4007


- Glad to be part of TYPO3 for quite some time by now I know:
         - Significant developments are not done by 10$ (even not 400x 10$) 
contributions, but rather by significant contributions by a few;
                 >> which leads me to: forget those group-actions on large 
scale
                 >> and forget about the idea that yet another new tool 
would change the real-world-contribution-situation;
         - Transparence is essential:
                 >> this is / was already done on .com/ .org (I once saw it 
but don't find it anymore - was it deleted) similar to: 
http://www.skyrix.de/en/produkte/BYF/project_state.php
         - Arrange ONE person being in charge for organizing, executing and 
communicating not more than TWO such developements (aka project-owner).
                 >> OK in some, NO-OK in the most cases ( too much projects 
on too less heads) AFA I understand.
 >> DONE;

BTW:
Me thought, we do have a CMS for realtime update of websites ... having a 
look at the ammount of content and frequency of change at eg. 
http://www.skyrix.de/en/produkte/BYF/project_state.php I'd guess we don't 
need yet another tool.

Just my two toughts following the subjects imperative;
g night g



At 14:46 18.08.2005, Valery Romanchev wrote:
>Hi Robert
>
> > I didn't know moneybookers and at the first glance I really
> > like them! Their terms and conditions [1] fit on two pages
> > and they only want 1% per transfer with 0,50? maximum.
> >
> > Does someone have experiences with moneybookers?
> >
> > [1] http://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=terms
>
>I use moneybookers since january 2005 for getting payments from clients
>(from Germany and Finland)
>
>You see a lot of good things. All this true.
>
>About the problems:
>1) Credit Card verification (especially for USA guys) .
>Moneybookers ask to send him scan of Credit Card.
>
>2) If you have a problem - the best way to solve it is to call them by
>phone.
>(one time my account was suspended due to wrong  data of my birthday, this
>was solved after phone call)
>
>3) Withdraw limit. This can be mayor problem.
>As I know, it can be set to $500/month (or even $200 )  and can be lift up
>after some month of usage.
>
>In general: moneybookers has good reputation in Russia and in UK.
>Some UK and Germany guys accept hosting payment by moneybookers and they are
>happy.
>And this guys are strongly not like PayPal.
>
>
>---
>Best regards,
>Valery Romanchev
>freelance TYPO3 web-developer
>http://www.typo3lab.com
>Email: romanchev at list.ru
>Phone: +7 (095) 370-84-08
>Moscow, Russia