[Typo3-t3board] 24h - 80

[Daniel Hinderink [TYPO3]]

Hi Kasper, hi Lars,

I understand and respect your wish for fairness and probably also a spot on
the snowboard tour. I just have to ask you for looking at the facts before
making implications about the impossibility to register.

I still wonder how people like Julle or Patrick Broens (or from GB, Belgium,
France, Austria...) get their payment done on time, if it was not possible
for people outside of Germany or Switzerland?

Lars, how did 6 people from Denmark make it?

Another thing: of those people whose payment was received but came in too
late on Friday, only one person was from abroad everybody else was from
Germany! Of those people having registered but not making it, more 70% were
German! If your theory about the banking time being longer is correct, why
are there people that made it from the same countries for all but one of
those in the remaining 30%?

What I am saying is, that it is just plain wrong that people from outside of
Germany or Switzerland didn't have a chance to get a spot. If that was
correct, 100% would have been from Switzerland and Germany.

> Adrian, please take notice of my mail!
> 
> Lars has a very valid point and it is completely fair that anyone having a
> reciept of payment can present that and the date on that will be used instead
> of the actual transfer date. Another point is that it is definitely not fair
> to open the registration in the weekend where all germans could make money
> transfer with the e-banks while danes and others would have to wait until
> monday.

Why didn't anyone comment on that months ago, if there is no online banking
in Denmark? And why didn't anyone from Denmark pay on Friday then? All
necessary info was online! And again, how did those six Danes (not counting
Kasper) get on the list mysteriously?

>> and then how you choose the first 80? by the registring timestamp? also
>> not fair, what if i was absent that weekend or i'm in a different time
>> zone or whatever...?
> 
> Being absent is something we cannot compensate for _as long as_ the time of
> registration has been announced well in advance so people can take
> precautions.

That has been done on 25/04/2005! The T3BOARD Announcement including the
date has been online since then!
 
> Time zones are easy to compenssate for.
> 
>>> Do the math, Germany is VERY well represented, I'd like to push their
>>> payments let's say 3 days, and then I think the list would be looking a
>>> lot different.
>> 
>> germany was always well represented on the tour, i was on every tour...
>> do the math, perhaps the community there is just the largest?...
> 
> According to statistics we should have at most 50% germans. If there are more
> they are overrepresented according to their community-percentage.

Depends on which data you rely on. We also have an IP-log evaluation of TER
downloads by country giving Germany a 57,9 share, the membership gives a
third number. F.x. Last year Canada was heavily over represented (hi
there!)... And then you also have to calculate the official attraction to
winter sports factor (awf) by region into your estimate... You get the
picture: this leads inevitably into bogus maths.

Let's get back to the basics: the snowboard tour is an alpine fun event.
Alpine entails limited space, fun entails a limited number of people to
those organizing it. Some people will not be able to come, but not because
they did not get a chance.

> In fact, there are 52 germans out of 81 meaning 64%. It is possible that maybe
> 10 persons outside germany could have made it in time if they had the same
> speedy transfer.

It is possible, but not automatically likely. Again, I find it quite unfair
to assume the procedure was unfair without explaining how those people that
made it on the list did it. My guess is, that they went to the bank (online)
in time and that is something which can be expected without being unfair on
our side.

Cheers,

Daniel

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