[Flow] CGL Filenames

Carsten Bleicker carsten at bleicker.de
Fri Nov 21 00:02:44 CET 2014

hahaha i like this one :)
thanks jacob!


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Am 20.11.2014 um 23:17 schrieb Jacob Floyd <cognifloyd at gmail.com>:

> On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 5:23 AM, Bastian Waidelich <bastian at typo3.org>
> wrote:
>> Martin Kutschker wrote:
>> Though isn't it FooInterface right now? That will get us FooAbstract and
>>> FooTrait.
>> Yes, that's right. <Name>Interface, Abstract<Name> and <Name>Trait
> TL;DR; English grammar suggests that this is the best way to do it, even if
> the position of the word is not consistent.
> At first glance this feels oddly inconsistent; We do, after all, put each
> of those at the same position within php code.
> But, I think leaving Abstract as a prefix, and Interface/Trait as suffixes
> makes sense. Consider the opposite of how we do it: "Interface Foo", "Trait
> Foo" both feel slightly odd when I say them out loud, and "Foo Abstract"
> feels very wrong. I think that is because of the odd rules of grammar in
> English (Oh! English. What an ugly inconsistent language! And yet, it is my
> native tongue).
> Consider the phrase "the poor man". 'poor' is an adjective that describes
> 'man', a noun. Poor happens to also work as a noun, but the definition
> changes slightly when you use it as a noun instead of an adjective. And, if
> you were to flip the phrase around, it would not make much sense, or could
> have (sometimes funny) alternative meanings: "the man poor" (Would that
> mean someone without a boyfriend?)
> The word "Abstract" works quite well as an adjective, but has the wrong
> meaning as a noun. An "Abstract" (noun) is "an abridgement or summary" or a
> kind of legal document, or any other summary-like document. But we're not
> talking about a document, we're talking about the computing definition
> which is an adjective: "abstract type". (
> http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/abstract)
> "Abstract" can be a noun, an adjective, or a verb. But, we want the
> adjective form. "Interface" is a noun or a verb. "Trait" is always a noun.
> So, based on current English rules, "Abstract Foo", "Foo Interface" and
> "Foo Trait" feel the most natural. English is a living language where words
> can move from one part of speech to another, so we could get away with
> using the words in different places in the sentence. But that would, at
> least to begin with, feel awkward.
> So, I blame the inconsistent placement of Abstract, Interface, and Trait on
> the English language.
> If we choose to change the placement of the terms in the filenames, then
> those file names will be more awkward to read aloud. That's not really a
> very big deal, so if we decide to change the CGL in favor of more
> consistency, I'm ok with that, just be aware of this one potential pitfall.
> Cheers,
> Jacob Floyd
> PS: English Grammar rules are designed to be broken, but you can only break
> one if you are fully aware of the rule, and you decide to break it on
> purpose with good reason. Dogmatic obedience to English grammar rules is
> like lemmings jumping off a cliff just because all the other lemmings are
> doing it.
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