[FLOW3-general] Interesting experience with FLOW3 setup

[Visay Keo]

Hi Christian,

Thank you for your reply. I will first communicate this to the server 
admin and then would get back in case of any help needed.

Regards,
Visay

On 11/23/2011 08:54 PM, "Christian Müller (Kitsunet)" wrote:
> Hi Visay,
>
> generally I can't fully agree with the blog post about PHP handlers.
> suPHP wasn't updated since 2009 and performance isn't really up to fcgi.
> That said I never used suPHP because of this problems.
>
> All in all FLOW3 is not fully intended for shared hosting (you don't
> have command line in most shared hosting offers), but you can run it if
> necessary.
>
> Why the installation created so many processes in your first try I can
> only guess, but I think it was the compile step, which clearly does a lot.
>
> On shared hosting the setfilepermissions script basically is useless
> unless you know the admin and he can run it for you. With suPHP you
> would set the file permissions to your user group of course, then it
> should work too.
>
> It was already requested to make configuration in case of having Web/
> not as domain root more clearly in the documentation so that will
> probably come at some point, but we cannot prepare for all possible
> server configurations, so if you point the domain to Web/ the routing
> should work out of the box, otherwise you need to adapt that to your
> environment as you found out "the hard way".
>
> All in all I think it would be possible to run FLOW3 with suPHP but I
> would rather recommend fcgi. Actually I have it running on my server
> (which is configured for shared hosting) with fcgi. If you have the
> chance to try a bit more together with your admin, you could join the
> chat and ask. I would try to assist you in the right configuration.
>
> Cheers,
> Christian
>
> On 14/11/11 16:10, Visay Keo wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> First of all I'm sorry for the long text, but it might be interesting
>> for you to read through. It's about my experience removing TYPO3 4.5
>> from my personal website and installing FLOW3 instead.
>>
>> I got my hosting upgraded to PHP 5.3 today and first thing I did was to
>> install FLOW3 and test if everything is fine. Below is the list of thing
>> I have noted:
>>
>> 1- ssh to the server and run "./flow3 core:setfilepermissions visayinf
>> nobody nobody" return the message:
>> -------------------
>> This command must be called as super user. Use 'sudo' or run as root.
>> FLOW3 File Permission Script
>> -------------------
>> How can the server admin give me the sudo access? It won't be possible,
>> but this is temporarily resolved in the third point.
>>
>> 2- The default documentroot is pointed to public_html so I had to called
>> the page by http://mydomain/Web/ but it was just loading forever and the
>> problem was that the installations created hundreds of processes (nearly
>> 500) and killed the server.
>>
>> 3- Then I asked the server admin to run the setfilepermissions command
>> for me (he's a nice guy and always helpful I have to say). Calling the
>> page again, no loop of processes but end up with the message
>> -------------------
>> Application Error
>>
>> The FLOW3 application could not be launched.
>> -------------------
>>
>> 4- Checking somewhere in the log (by the server admin) found:
>> -------------------
>> SoftException in Application.cpp:256: File
>> "/home/visayinf/public_html/Web/index.php" is writeable by group
>> -------------------
>> Then we realized that the server is configured to use suPHP (more info
>> below)
>>
>> 5- To make it works, he needs to change the php handler to DSO, re-run
>> the setfilepermissions command and called the page
>> -------------------
>> Not Found
>>
>> The requested URL /index.php was not found on this server.
>>
>> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use
>> an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
>> -------------------
>> This is now better because at least it redirected to
>> http://mydomain/Web/flow3/welcome
>>
>> 6- Changing the apache config to point document root to the Web/ folder
>> finally we got the Getting Started page "Welcome to FLOW3" which is cool
>> :-)
>>
>> 7- Now it works but it looks like FLOW3 package requires the server
>> settings that we really don't want to have for this server setup as DSO
>> can cause a lot of issues with permissions for the shared hosting.
>>
>> What the admin say is the he cannot believe the FLOW3 package cannot
>> work with suPHP. He gave me some info DSO, "it is one of the most
>> popular PHP handlers. When server uses DSO, php scripts are run as the
>> web server (nobody). It is a fast handler but causes problems when the
>> web browser needs to write to disk - you need to set proper permissions
>> then. It's OK for a custom server but not very convenient for shared
>> hosting where users would like to have packages for other CMS."
>>
>> "Under suPHP, scripts are run as the owner of the account so they can
>> write to the disk without a problem. suPHP, however, does not accept
>> write permissions for users that are not owners of the account (eg
>> nobody)."
>>
>> "More info about suPHP
>> http://blog.servint.net/2011/10/28/the-tech-bench-all-about-php-handlers/"
>>
>>
>> I'm not expert in server configuration but I post these here for those
>> who may be interested in doing something to fix it.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>> Visay
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