[TYPO3-v4] Minutes from the 15th Skype meeting of the release 4.5 team

Tue Oct 26 16:40:22 CEST 2010

Hi fellow developer friends,

yesterday we hold our 15th Skype meeting for the 4.5 release. We were
complete: Ben van't Ende (community manager), Olly Hader (core team
leader), Benni Mack (4.4 release manager), Steffen Kamper (4.5 technical
leader) and Ernesto Baschny (4.5 release manager).

Topics were:

USA power
-----------

Jeff Segars will be helping us out more (1-2 days per week) until the
end of the year. He will work together with Steffen Kamper on the new
EM. Steffen will arrange a meeting with him to discuss the issues to be
tackled.

He will also work on the "english" side of our work as a "native
speaker", for example reviewing the new labels done by Joey in the TCA
cleanup project (#16015" [1] and #16031 [2]).

Ben also mentioned other guys which could help out on the English part
of our work (Zach Davis and Bill Tenny Brittian). Topics also include
proof-reading of articles etc, not only Core work.

[1] http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=16015
[2] http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=16031

Pending in core list
------------------------

Steffen mentioned two important pending issues to be reviewed: cObject
splitting (#15094 [3]) and the enhancements of the tool-tips (#16122 [4])

[3] http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=15094
[4] http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=16122

Design team meeting
------------------------

On Friday there was a core vs design team meeting with Lars, Jens and
Steffen. They discussed the issues to be done. Lars is getting more
confident in the work using the HCI forge issue tracker [5]

The design team will concentrate first on the issues brought up by the
workspace team. Jens already had a scribble of the WS module in the
forge issue #9472 [6].

Steffen showed a prototype for the "WS Live Preview" he did with ExtJS.

They will meet again Friday 11h, also including Steffen Gebert (our
backend CSS specialist).

Steffen mentioned a lack of CSS specialists working on our backend
besides Steffen Gebert. Ben suggested to make a "news" trying to attract
people to it. Ernesto thinks that it has to be a "team" and Steffen
Gebert would be a perfect team leader. He thinks it might be difficult
to attract more people to that work if there is not a central "hub"
where to fetch issues from (a forge project or a Wiki page). He feels
this has to be organized first and then a news could make sense. Steffen
mentioned that there are lots of work to be done (e.g. workspaces
module, the browse_line from the RTE, etc).

[5] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/hci/issues
[6] http://forge.typo3.org/issues/9472

Tree's project
------------------------

After the code sprint, this project slowed down a bit. Steffen Kamper
wants Steffen Ritter to send his work done so far (TCA trees).

Kamper wants to implement a tree implementation for the "array trees" we
have in the core.

TCA cleanup / Grid View
------------------------

Jo Hasenau is finishing the work on the TCA for tt_content + pages (tabs
/ labels) this week. Next week he will continue on the "grid view" project.

Toolbar
------------------------

Steffen started working on it.

FAL - file abstraction layer
-------------------------------

There will be a code sprint for the FAL project [7]: from 11th to 14th
of November at WMDB in Wiesbaden.

Mattes, Peter Kuehn, Ben van't Ende, Dan Osipov, Steffen Kamper
(weekend) and  Andreas Wolf (unclear yet) will be there. Peter might
find more helping hands. ben wants to attract more people. Ernesto
thought about inviting Ingmar too, as he was active during the Code
Sprint with Andreas on that project. More people would probably not be
needed.

[7] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/typo3v4-fileabstractionlayer/wiki/Wiki

FLUIDTEMPLATE
------------------------

Bastian noticed some edges and will prepare something. He will also move
some logic to "fluid" extension and have fluid less dependant on extbase.

Benni will document FLUIDTEMPLATE with our pending documentation [8].

[8]
http://wiki.typo3.org/wiki/Pending_Documentation#doc_core_tsref_.284.5.29

Link Validator
------------------------

The project is now on forge [9]. First it was "hidden", but Olly made it
public.

Tolleiv did some first review and improvements. Steffen tested, had some
errors in the backend. Ben also had some errors.

[9] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/extension-linkvalidator

FORM
------------------------

Patrick will work again on the FORM project. Goal will be for 4.6. ben
asked Steffen about drag'n'drop classes. Steffen said it was still
pending and "on his list" (which is "huge" already).

ExtJS
------------------------

We still have a lack of ExtJS experts working on core. Currently mainly
only Steffen Kamper. Nils (v5 team) is available only for support and
questions. Peter Förger would be a nice addition, Steffen will ask him,
if he wants to help on that topic.

Intro package
------------------------

Ernesto reported about the improvements Peter Beernink committing issues
regarding the packaging of 4.5 in the intro package forge repository [10].

There is still a pending issue for the core (#4272 [11]) which would
help the IP.

Steffen also mentioned the issue about auto-detection of IM / GM under
Windows, which does not work (so that scaling of images is broken).

[10] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/extension-introduction
[11] http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=4272

IRRE vs Workspaces
------------------------

Olly said he did some progress on that topic. There is currently a
solution for 4.4. He is working in porting that to 4.5 (WS with 1-to-n
relations is working with foreign fields + comma separated lists).

He fixed some flaws with inline records that are children of page records.

Still pending

* providing API for FE development (using WS functionality), maybe
considering parts of extension overlays [12].
* not easy to test IRRE with regular unit tests. Olly is testing the
working using a dummy tree and calling the API and checking the results
in the DB afterwards. Steffen Kamper noted that Templavoila does similar
stuff for its own unit tests, Olly might want to check.

[12] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/extension-overlays

Workspaces
------------------------

Tolleiv and Sonja are still very active.

They will have a meeting at 18h after our release meeting. Olly will
send us a copy of their protocol.

Non-Core related topics
==========================

TER-FE and typo3.org
------------------------

Steffen Kamper started the project again. Two guys from Stuttgart
applied to team up with him (Thomas Löffler and Kai Vogel). Project
terfe on forge [13] will document the work in progress.

There will be a bug fixing session with Markus Krause tomorrow (SOAP
etc). This work should make the management or extension keys work again
(key transfer etc).

There is a thread in the typo3org mailing list where Steffen tried to
gather some feedback.

As a side-note while talking about TER and typo3.org in general, Ben
noted that we need "content integrators" for typo3.org. People that can
maintain the typo3.org page (in its current state) and feed it with info.

[13] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/extension-terfe

TER-DOC
-----------

Francois reported many rendering problems with the current doc rendering
of TER. Susanne and Steffen Kamper created a test environment [14] where
one can upload a manual and see the results right away.
It works like the original TER. That would be something interesting to
have at typo3.org.

Steffen noted that doc rendering takes place in some cronjobs during the
night. He would find it cool if that could be scheduler tasks in future,
so that the admins could also trigger that manually.

[14] http://ter.steffenkamper.info/index.php?id=16

New skinning API Doc
------------------------

Francois uploaded the new skinning API doc [15]. Steffen linked it at
the core documentation part of typo3.org. Still some things missing, but
it is a very good start.

[15]
http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/core-documentation/doc_core_skinning/1.0.0/view/

extdeveval
---------------

In the core team we decided to improve development of this extension by
making the whole core team responsible for it.

We need to apply latest stuff for generating the sprites into it.

Olly will make a new release by end of the week. He will also write to
admin team to open a new list for RFC styled reviews for new patches.

Next steps
------------------------

Our next meeting will take place on Tuesday (November 2nd) at 14h
because of a holiday on Monday (1st Nov).

Cheers,
Ernesto