[TYPO3-v4] Minutes from the 17th Skype meeting of the release 4.5 team

Tue Nov 9 21:45:51 CET 2010

Hi,

*duh*!  Support for IE4 would be a challenge, indeed. ;)

Thanks for noting, fixed in the online minutes [1]

[1]
http://forge.typo3.org/projects/typo3v45-projects/wiki/Minutes_17th_Meeting_2010-11-08

Cheers,
Ernesto

Ingmar Schlecht schrieb am 09.11.2010 21:24:
> Hi Ernesto,
> 
> I assume you mean IM4 / IM5 when you wrote IE4 / IE5, right? ;-)
> 
> cheers
> Ingmar
> 
> Am 09.11.2010 18:31, schrieb Ernesto Baschny [cron IT]:
>> Hi dear friends,
>>
>> Yesterday we hold our 17th Skype meeting for the 4.5 release. We were
>> complete: Ben van't Ende (community manager), Olly Hader (core team
>> leader), Benni Mack (4.4 release manager), Steffen Kamper (4.5 technical
>> leader) and Ernesto Baschny (4.5 release manager).
>>
>> =====================================================================
>> Topics from last week
>> =====================================================================
>>
>> See [1].
>>
>> * UTF-8 by default: Benni will put it on the core list soon, as it is
>> already ready. Stucki can review later also.
>> * Reports module: Ernesto didn't contact Ingo yet, will do
>> * Indexed Search: Dmitry answered that he will work on IS this week.
>> * Admin Panel design: not solved yet, and wasn't discussed with the
>> Design team yet (no time today)
>> * "Native Speaker Team" also for use in core. Ben wanted to talk with
>> the guys. The topics of the meeting with Daniel Hinderik were others
>> (editorial stuff) and the topic was not touched.
>>
>> [1]
>> http://forge.typo3.org/projects/typo3v45-projects/wiki/Minutes_16th_Meeting_2010-11-02
>>
>> =====================================================================
>> Release related
>> =====================================================================
>>
>> Grid View status update
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Thomas gave some feedback and is 70% done with the project. He will
>> present a patch soon. Discussion will take place on a further meeting
>> with Joey on Tuesday 16h30.
>>
>> New Extension Manager
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Jeff finished his part on EM. He went through all the issues, and
>> synchronized the branch with current trunk.
>>
>> Steffen is preparing the RFC for the new EM module *without* the new EM
>> (only class refactoring).
>>
>> In RFC #16290 the naming of the classes were discussed. We decided to
>> rename the classes to tx_em_* to follow our convention.
>>
>> Styling was already discussed with Jens in Stuttgart, Steffen will take
>> comments in account when presenting the RFC.
>>
>> IM4 / IM5 deprecation
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> We talked a lot about the issue of deprecating IE4 and/or IE5 in TYPO3
>> Core. After plenty of discussions about pros and cons and potential
>> consequences, we came up with these arguments:
>>
>> 1. 4.5 is a LTS, and we want to stay backwards compatible, thus *support
>> for IE4+IE5 stays*.
>> 2. We mark IE4+IE5 as *deprecated in 4.5*.
>> 3. We form a "task force" which is meant to create a testbed to be able
>> to fix and see the effects of fixes on all potential variants more
>> easily. We should ask Jigal if he wants to support or even lead this team.
>> 4. After having the test scenarios, we can start going over the bugs and
>> then we can decide if it makes our live easier by dropping support for
>> IE4+5 in 4.6 already.
>>
>> Some other side-notes:
>>
>> * Steffen Ritter had some trouble (also performance-wise) when creating
>> sprites with IM/GM, which is why they are now created using gdlib2.
>> * IM4 was the original supported graphical generation toolkit for TYPO3
>> ("4.2.9" being the recommended version for a long time).
>> * IM5 was introduced later and since the API changed a lot, lots of
>> "switches" were added.
>> * GM came in as a fork to IE5 with the aim of providing a stable API,
>> which is why GM was recommended since TYPO3 4.0
>> * IM6 (and GM) switched the order of parameters for "composite"
>> * There are also many issues regarding: safe_mode, Windows vs Unix which
>> might not related to IE4 at all.
>>
>> Versioning with IRRE
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Olly has one problem still to work on, then he will forward-port the
>> fixes for 4.5 (current trunk). Benni offered his help when Olly comes to
>> the part where he needs to touch parts of TCEmain which were extracted
>> to "version" extension.
>>
>> Workspace Team / Module
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> The team will have a Skype meeting at 18h. Olly will send the protocol
>> to the core team. Plan is to have every new feature in core list this week.
>>
>> Currently the work is on GIT [2].
>>
>> It was also suggested by Olly that the Workspaces team gets a status
>> like the DBAL "team" in future, meaning less bureocracy to get fixes
>> into the core.
>>
>> [2] https://github.com/t3dev/typo3v4core/tree/workspace-bugfixes
>>
>> Install Tool
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> Patrick worked on the install tool since the T3UXW09. There are lots of
>> stuff to be done for the Install Tool, but no one knew of a definitive
>> list of issues. Ben thinks there is none written down.
>>
>> Ernesto just recalled some pending stuff:
>>
>> * Streamline usability of Upgrade Wizard
>> * Translation of the Install Tool (e.g. French / German)
>> * Usability of "All Configuration"
>> * etc..
>>
>> =====================================================================
>> Organizational
>> =====================================================================
>>
>> Usability & Design team forge restructuring
>> ---------------------------------------------
>>
>> After our meeting on Friday with the design team, it was decided to
>> restructure the "Design & Usability" forge team pages a bit. Ernesto
>> explained the changes:
>>
>> * One main project "Design" [3]
>> * Two sub projects:
>>   * "Usability team" [4]: (the old "HCI team"): Lars, Jens and the team,
>> providing new ideas, screen designs. The tracker is the central hub
>> where to discuss and develop new user interface options.
>>   * "Skin team" [5] (formerly known as "CSS team"): As soon as an issue
>> is approved by the Usability team, a new issue is created on the "Skin
>> team", which is then in charge of implementing the interface (CSS,
>> ExtJS, maybe some basic PHP).
>>
>> The Skin team is being build right now, Ben is recruiting around 6
>> members to work on our backends CSS. There are already some tasks there,
>> like:
>>
>> * Skinning the new WS module (#10642 and #10684)
>> * "Path" on Web>Page in the doc header, which will stay, needs to be
>> trimmed. Jens will come up with some mock-up first
>>
>> Ernesto tried to contact the "server team" about an instance where to
>> test the new CSS features, but got no response yet. He'll try again.
>>
>> As soon as we have the member list and workflow 100% defined, we will
>> announce it in an article.
>>
>> Ernesto also discussed with Jens that the "HCI list" should die, keeping
>> only "the archives" [6]. Goal is to use only forge in future.
>>
>> [3] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/design
>> [4] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/usability
>> [5] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/skin
>> [6] http://lists.typo3.org/pipermail/typo3-team-hci/
>>
>> New Languages and translation start
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> We have "Khmer" as a new language. Ernesto asked when the "translation
>> workflow" will start. Olly explained that usually on first "beta" the
>> process begins, with Dmitry updating the server to that version and the
>> new labels being loaded.
>>
>> @Ernesto will send an reminder on the translation mailing list that we
>> will have feature freeze soon and that the translation teams can start
>> "warming up the engines".
>>
>> Related to labels, Steffen reminded of the additional work still missing
>> regarding the new labels we have for "page" and "tt_content", which
>> would be to adapt also the "CSH" labels to the new label names. Many
>> help text still refers to labels as they have been before and not the
>> new style. This has to be considered before people start translating.
>>
>> Intro Package in French
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> The language speaking community would love to have a French language
>> intro package (with French content, French comments, etc). Peter Beernik
>> is in touch with Ernesto and the server team to try to make it happen
>> for beta2. As soon as we have the infrastructure settled, the French
>> language team could start working on it. Ben is the hub to communicate
>> with this team.
>>
>> FAL (file abstraction layer) Code Sprint
>> ------------------------------------------
>>
>> We talked again about the "FAL code sprint" [7] that will happen on this
>> weekend in Düsseldorf (WMDB). Steffen will be there on Saturday. We have
>> good expectations and morale and motivation is high. We might have three
>> core developers (Rupi, Steffen, Ingmar) and several other developers, so
>> the chance to get things committed is high.
>>
>> [7] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/typo3v4-fileabstractionlayer/wiki/Wiki
>>
>> =====================================================================
>> Next meetings
>> =====================================================================
>>
>> * "Page tree" meeting later that day (Steffen Kamper, Stefan Galinski)
>> * Workspaces team at 18h
>> * Grid View team Tuesday at 16h30
>> * Design Team vs Core Team on Friday 11h
>> * FAL code sprint this weekend
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Ernesto
>>
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