From ben at netcreators.nl Sun May 1 22:49:31 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:49:31 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] [Typo3-accessibility] a move to content rendering Message-ID: Hi, Michael Stucki has created a new list on behalf of the Content Rendering Group. tHNx dude! The Content Rendering Group is a self proclaimed group that has set forward a couple of goals. These goals are not covered by accessibility alone. There are several areas concerning the output of TYPO3 that need attention. In the market there is a growing call for standards compliant output for webpages. Some Amercian states require government websites to be WAI (http://www.w3.org/WAI/) conformant and dutch goverment demands that newly build websites are XHTML strict. The output of the TYPO3 CORE should be examined. Some changes are relatively easy to do (like IMAGE object without border attribute, no

-tags within for tables). Below are the goals for the group: * monitor markup output of TYPO3 to be standards compliant (http://www.webstandards.org) and XHTML1.0 strict compliant * monitor preferred extensions (like RTE htmlarea, Modern FAQ, tt_news, chc_forum) for their output * recommend extensions for accessibilty * advise or cooperate with extension builders to get their output XHTML1.0 strict and standards compliant * write documentation about how to get TYPO3 to output XHTML compliant code * recommend TS * finish css_imgtext ;-) * deliver a default TS set for XHTML1.0 strict compliant output. For instance all target attributes wthin a will have to be removed. No border attribute for images () and such. At this moment these are the members of the group. Jan Wischnat Sacha Vorbeck Rupert Germann Martin Kutscher Andreas Schwarzkopf ben van 't ende Members in the sense that you can expect these dudes to be not only lurking the list, but actually giving answers ;-) We hope to have a spot on TYPO3.org soon so we can keep you up to date with news, documentation, examples of accessible/xhtml compliant websites, tips and CRG approved extensions. So join in everyone! Jordan has already discovered the list! gRTz ben -- netcreators::creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From ben at netcreators.nl Sun May 1 22:59:25 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:59:25 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] No links at all - All links should be removed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jordan van Bergen wrote: > Hi All, > > I'm not sure if this is the right newsgroup but it's called > content-rendering so I think I'm right if I ask the following: > > What do I have to do to make links in a content ( links on a page (frontend)? > > Let's say I have a textpart saying "Hello, this is a link" and the link part > is a link ( should stay working on the normal website but not on another domainname. So > I want to know what I have to do to make this "link" part not render as a > link ( accomplish this. > > Or maybe an explanation on how to make every link in a content ( not rendering as a link.... Hi Jordan, Sounds like a thing like this has to be solved by some extension. A condition should or shouldn't render the link depending on the HTTP_REQUEST. Why would you want that anyway? gRTZ ben -- netcreators::creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From zach at castironcoding.com Sun May 1 23:53:50 2005 From: zach at castironcoding.com (Zach Davis) Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 17:53:50 -0400 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] Re: [Typo3-accessibility] a move to content rendering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ben, I'd like very much to be a part of the team, and can devote some time to helping out. I'll start by going over chc_forum before the next release and making sure the output is still valid. best, Zach ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: > Hi, > > Michael Stucki has created a new list on behalf of the Content Rendering > Group. tHNx dude! The Content Rendering Group is a self proclaimed group > that has set forward a couple of goals. These goals are not covered by > accessibility alone. There are several areas concerning the output of > TYPO3 that need attention. In the market there is a growing call for > standards compliant output for webpages. Some Amercian states require > government websites to be WAI (http://www.w3.org/WAI/) conformant and > dutch goverment demands that newly build websites are XHTML strict. The > output of the TYPO3 CORE should be examined. Some changes are relatively > easy to do (like IMAGE object without border attribute, no

-tags > within for tables). > > Below are the goals for the group: > > * monitor markup output of TYPO3 to be standards compliant > (http://www.webstandards.org) and XHTML1.0 strict compliant > > * monitor preferred extensions (like RTE htmlarea, Modern FAQ, tt_news, > chc_forum) for their output > > * recommend extensions for accessibilty > > * advise or cooperate with extension builders to get their output > XHTML1.0 strict and standards compliant > > * write documentation about how to get TYPO3 to output XHTML compliant code > > * recommend TS > > * finish css_imgtext ;-) > > * deliver a default TS set for XHTML1.0 strict compliant output. For > instance all target attributes wthin a will have to be removed. No > border attribute for images () and such. > > > At this moment these are the members of the group. > > Jan Wischnat > Sacha Vorbeck > Rupert Germann > Martin Kutscher > Andreas Schwarzkopf > ben van 't ende > > Members in the sense that you can expect these dudes to be not only > lurking the list, but actually giving answers ;-) We hope to have a spot > on TYPO3.org soon so we can keep you up to date with news, > documentation, examples of accessible/xhtml compliant websites, tips and > CRG approved extensions. So join in everyone! Jordan has already > discovered the list! > > gRTz > > ben From cf at cf-webservice.de Mon May 2 00:12:03 2005 From: cf at cf-webservice.de (Carla Froitzheim) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 00:12:03 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content Message-ID: Hi, I currently have a lot of TS cleanup for css_styled_content, e.g. for the tt_content.menu.20.x part to get sitemaps as correctly nested ul lists. It works fine and together with Jan?s dfn-support script they also fulfill the accessibilty recommendations. Are there any plans to have this in a future version of css_styled_content? Carla From typo3 at ingo-renner.com Mon May 2 05:22:34 2005 From: typo3 at ingo-renner.com (Ingo Renner) Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 22:22:34 -0500 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] Re: [Typo3-accessibility] a move to content rendering References: Message-ID: Am Sun, 01 May 2005 22:49:31 +0200 schrieb ben van 't ende [netcreators]: Hi Ben and the rest of the team, > * monitor preferred extensions (like RTE htmlarea, Modern FAQ, tt_news, > chc_forum) for their output as you mentioned 'Modern FAQ' and I'm currently working on a blog extension for TYPO3 - bloggers usually have an eye on there code to be standards compliant - I'd like to join the team! greetings Ingo -- Use a newsreader! Check out http://typo3.org/community/mailing-lists/use-a-news-reader/ From vh at dmc.de Mon May 2 08:49:27 2005 From: vh at dmc.de (Volker Hielscher) Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 08:49:27 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] CSS and image alt extension Message-ID: Hi, if you need help for the alttext-image extension i can give you advise. Regards Volker Hielscher From ben at netcreators.nl Mon May 2 18:58:46 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:58:46 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] Re: [Typo3-accessibility] a move to content rendering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zach Davis wrote: > Hi Ben, > > I'd like very much to be a part of the team, and can devote some time to > helping out. I'll start by going over chc_forum before the next release > and making sure the output is still valid. Hi Zach, You are in! That's was already suggested by some. gRTz ben From ben at netcreators.nl Mon May 2 20:48:47 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 20:48:47 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] Re: [Typo3-accessibility] a move to content rendering In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ingo Renner wrote: > Am Sun, 01 May 2005 22:49:31 +0200 schrieb ben van 't ende [netcreators]: > > Hi Ben and the rest of the team, > > >>* monitor preferred extensions (like RTE htmlarea, Modern FAQ, tt_news, >>chc_forum) for their output > > > as you mentioned 'Modern FAQ' and I'm currently working on a blog extension > for TYPO3 - bloggers usually have an eye on there code to be standards > compliant - I'd like to join the team! Hi Ingo, You are in! Glad to have you with us! gRTz ben From ben at netcreators.nl Tue May 3 21:20:43 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:20:43 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Carla Froitzheim wrote: > Hi, > > I currently have a lot of TS cleanup for css_styled_content, e.g. for > the tt_content.menu.20.x part to get sitemaps as correctly nested ul > lists. It works fine and together with Jan?s dfn-support script they > also fulfill the accessibilty recommendations. > Are there any plans to have this in a future version of css_styled_content? Hi Carla, Could you post a link to that template. I could imagine we keep it somewhere like in CVS (allthough I am an absolute zero dealing with CVS) to maintain it. We could also split it up in snippets as I have never used the dfn and don't know if it would be really necessary. Kinda missed that thread ;-) Would do you think? gRTZ ben -- netcreators::creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From cf at cf-webservice.de Tue May 3 23:25:02 2005 From: cf at cf-webservice.de (Carla Froitzheim) Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 23:25:02 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > > Could you post a link to that template. I could imagine we keep it > somewhere like in CVS (allthough I am an absolute zero dealing with > CVS) to maintain it. We could also split it up in snippets as I have > never used the dfn and don't know if it would be really necessary. > Kinda missed that thread ;-) > > Hi Ben, http://www.cf-webservice.de/t3snippet/ts-sitemap2ul.txt Regarding dfn there is an article on http://www.einfach-fuer-alle.de/artikel/menues/ They recommend to use the tag to make ul menus really accessible. dfn support is just 1 entry in each menu item so I don?t know whether there is need to split it. I am also a zero dealing with CVS so I am glad you manage this ;-) Carla From martin.kutschker-n0spam at no5pam-blackbox.net Sun May 8 11:11:32 2005 From: martin.kutschker-n0spam at no5pam-blackbox.net (Martin Kutschker) Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 11:11:32 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ben van 't ende [netcreators] schrieb: > Carla Froitzheim wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I currently have a lot of TS cleanup for css_styled_content, e.g. for >> the tt_content.menu.20.x part to get sitemaps as correctly nested ul >> lists. It works fine and together with Jan?s dfn-support script they >> also fulfill the accessibilty recommendations. >> Are there any plans to have this in a future version of >> css_styled_content? > > Hi Carla, > > Could you post a link to that template. I could imagine we keep it > somewhere like in CVS (allthough I am an absolute zero dealing with CVS) > to maintain it. We could also split it up in snippets as I have never > used the dfn and don't know if it would be really necessary. Kinda > missed that thread ;-) > > Would do you think? I wouldn't try to change css_styled_content as one of it's goal is backwards compatibility. But I welcome any effort to create a new extension that may or may not extend css_styled_content. I'm fine with either option. Buliding upon css_styled_content has the advantage that we need only redefine the "broken" parts. Starting (more or less) from scratch frees us from really old cruft. Anyway, I'd like to see an "accessible_content" extension on the sourceforge CVS. Masi From ben at netcreators.nl Mon May 9 12:20:31 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 12:20:31 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Martin Kutschker wrote: > ben van 't ende [netcreators] schrieb: > >> Carla Froitzheim wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I currently have a lot of TS cleanup for css_styled_content, e.g. for >>> the tt_content.menu.20.x part to get sitemaps as correctly nested ul >>> lists. It works fine and together with Jan?s dfn-support script they >>> also fulfill the accessibilty recommendations. >>> Are there any plans to have this in a future version of >>> css_styled_content? >> >> >> Hi Carla, >> >> Could you post a link to that template. I could imagine we keep it >> somewhere like in CVS (allthough I am an absolute zero dealing with >> CVS) to maintain it. We could also split it up in snippets as I have >> never used the dfn and don't know if it would be really necessary. >> Kinda missed that thread ;-) >> >> Would do you think? > > > I wouldn't try to change css_styled_content as one of it's goal is > backwards compatibility. > > But I welcome any effort to create a new extension that may or may not > extend css_styled_content. I'm fine with either option. > > Buliding upon css_styled_content has the advantage that we need only > redefine the "broken" parts. Starting (more or less) from scratch frees > us from really old cruft. Hi Martin, I agree here. I also made the mistake to create a 'new' css_styled_content. One thing I could easily post is the menu part. I have the examples of that on my personal website. http://ben.vantende.net/menu/ including the setup part. > Anyway, I'd like to see an "accessible_content" extension on the > sourceforge CVS. Would you like to see that as a separate extension? gRTZ ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From martin.kutschker-n0spam at no5pam-blackbox.net Mon May 9 22:41:05 2005 From: martin.kutschker-n0spam at no5pam-blackbox.net (Martin Kutschker) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 22:41:05 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ben van 't ende [netcreators] schrieb: > > Would you like to see that as a separate extension? Because for accessibility reasons some features/fields woll have to be required. Which is fine by me, but perhaps not for others. At least it was not ok with Kasper. He said he doesn?t want to force alt-Attributes onto users. A separate extension, which should be of such quality that it is shipped as a sysext, frees us from such constraints. We can add as many (required) fields as we want, but don't hassle other folks. The other reason is that I think Kasper won't like to change the generated HTML much. Besides the CSS sugar it's old-style and reasonable backwards compatible. Enforcing accessibility will lead to bigger changes. But changes are ok, if we have our own extension. Masi From ben at netcreators.nl Tue May 10 00:33:58 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:33:58 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Martin Kutschker wrote: > ben van 't ende [netcreators] schrieb: > >> >> Would you like to see that as a separate extension? > > > Because for accessibility reasons some features/fields woll have to be > required. Which is fine by me, but perhaps not for others. At least it > was not ok with Kasper. He said he doesn?t want to force alt-Attributes > onto users. > > A separate extension, which should be of such quality that it is shipped > as a sysext, frees us from such constraints. We can add as many > (required) fields as we want, but don't hassle other folks. > > The other reason is that I think Kasper won't like to change the > generated HTML much. Besides the CSS sugar it's old-style and reasonable > backwards compatible. Enforcing accessibility will lead to bigger > changes. But changes are ok, if we have our own extension. Yes cool, Stefan asked me for an accessible mailform setup. I sent him one maybe we should keep stuff like that in some repository. Question is where to could keep that centralised. Has anyone made a cleanup of css_styled_content already? Sacha maybe? gRTz ben -- netcreators::creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From intsys at swissinfo.org Tue May 10 00:58:44 2005 From: intsys at swissinfo.org (Stefan Beylen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 00:58:44 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ben van 't ende [netcreators] schrieb: > Question is where to could keep that centralised. good idea! I suggest in the typo3-wiki! thanks for the code ben ;) From ben at netcreators.nl Tue May 10 09:59:51 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 09:59:51 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stefan Beylen wrote: > ben van 't ende [netcreators] schrieb: > >> Question is where to could keep that centralised. > > > good idea! > I suggest in the typo3-wiki! > > thanks for the code ben ;) Aha!, You can show your gratitude by starting a place for the Content Rendering Group on the WIKI. Can you do that/ gRTZ ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From intsys at swissinfo.org Tue May 10 10:06:40 2005 From: intsys at swissinfo.org (Stefan Beylen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:06:40 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ben van 't ende [netcreators] schrieb: > You can show your gratitude by starting a place for the Content > Rendering Group on the WIKI. Can you do that/ I'll try.... ;) From intsys at swissinfo.org Tue May 10 10:22:24 2005 From: intsys at swissinfo.org (Stefan Beylen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 10:22:24 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stefan Beylen schrieb: > I'll try.... ;) not too difficult...see: http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Content_Rendering hope thats alright - or does that belong into http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Accessibility ? From ben at netcreators.nl Tue May 10 11:47:46 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 11:47:46 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] css_styled_content In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Stefan Beylen wrote: > Stefan Beylen schrieb: > >> I'll try.... ;) > > > not too difficult...see: > http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Content_Rendering > > hope thats alright - or does that belong into > http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Accessibility ? Hi Stefan, Cool! Let's se how it develops and if we need some further subdivision. Like maybe: http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Content_Rendering/Snippets Seems like a logical path. later ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From intsys at swissinfo.org Tue May 10 22:57:01 2005 From: intsys at swissinfo.org (Stefan Beylen) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 22:57:01 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] data[tt_guest] & wrap="virtual" dont validate Message-ID: anyone got an idea here how to get rid of those errors? http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//pluto.meidling.vhs.at/box_typo3/dummy-3.7.0/index.php%3Fid%3D8%26no_cache%3D1 I guess the first one happens in all forms generated by typo3, latter in all textareas...got no clue how to remove them except with wolfgang klingers stfl_replacer...but there must be a better way I hope thanks for your help From typo3 at ingo-renner.com Wed May 11 01:15:49 2005 From: typo3 at ingo-renner.com (Ingo Renner) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:15:49 -0500 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] data[tt_guest] & wrap="virtual" dont validate References: Message-ID: Am Tue, 10 May 2005 22:57:01 +0200 schrieb Stefan Beylen: > anyone got an idea here how to get rid of those errors? > > http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//pluto.meidling.vhs.at/box_typo3/dummy-3.7.0/index.php%3Fid%3D8%26no_cache%3D1 you have to url encode the "[" characters... HTH Ingo -- Use a newsreader! Check out http://typo3.org/community/mailing-lists/use-a-news-reader/ From martin.kutschker at no5pam.blackbox.net Wed May 11 09:38:09 2005 From: martin.kutschker at no5pam.blackbox.net (Martin Kutschker) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:38:09 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] data[tt_guest] & wrap="virtual" dont validate References: Message-ID: "Ingo Renner" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:mailman.1.1115766956.17697.typo3-project-content-rendering at lists.netfielders.de... > Am Tue, 10 May 2005 22:57:01 +0200 schrieb Stefan Beylen: > >> anyone got an idea here how to get rid of those errors? >> >> http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//pluto.meidling.vhs.at/box_typo3/dummy-3.7.0/index.php%3Fid%3D8%26no_cache%3D1 > > you have to url encode the "[" characters... Is this a guess or does this really resolve the problem? If it's a solution then it should be changed in the Core. I was ware of the problem but did some funky replacements of [ ( "[" became ":_" ). Masi From intsys at swissinfo.org Wed May 11 10:04:25 2005 From: intsys at swissinfo.org (Stefan Beylen) Date: Wed, 11 May 2005 10:04:25 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] data[tt_guest] & wrap="virtual" dont validate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Martin Kutschker schrieb: > Is this a guess or does this really resolve the problem? it works like this... _BUT_ there is another problem. see: http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.lingoist.com/test/test.php Valid XHTML 1.0! thats all you need. put it on any page and get it checked. 2) another nice one is: http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ it adds tidy stuff to status-bar and source view of Firefox. ;) HtH, Peter -- Peter Niederlag http://www.niekom.de * TYPO3 & EDV Dienstleistungen * http://www.typo3partner.net * professional services network * From martin.kutschker at no5pam.blackbox.net Tue May 24 09:30:44 2005 From: martin.kutschker at no5pam.blackbox.net (Martin Kutschker) Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:30:44 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] mailform References: Message-ID: "Michael Scharkow" schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:mailman.1.1116863963.31862.typo3-project-content-rendering at lists.netfielders.de... > Martin Kutschker wrote: > >> Yes, I mean accessible forms by default would be great. But no, *sigh* >> because of Stucki tied originally xhtml-comformance to the accessibilty >> flag. But I seem to have convonced him that xhtml-conformance should come >> out of the box. > > I agree. I don't understand the purpose of the accessibility flag anyway. > Why should anyone *not* want accessibility features? Backwards > compatibility sucks when old version sucked as well ;) Especially as I don't see why the additional label tag would have broken any old site. Masi From schrade at lineara.de Thu May 26 11:03:59 2005 From: schrade at lineara.de (Torsten Schrade) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:03:59 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers Message-ID: Hi folks, Problem: When I upgraded to 3.8.0 and looked at my site with Firefox, most of my images were not aligned properly anymore but just on the left side. With IE however, they were allright. Observation: There seems to be a difference regarding the rendering of "classical" IMGTEXT-Objects in the new 3.8.0 (with "classical" I mean the normal tt_content.image.20 rendering that comes from css_styled_content). Details: In 3.7, images that were left, right or centered above or below the text were aligned by using a

In 3.8, this concept seems to have been abandoned which is cool :-), as the align-attribute is deprecated for XHTML-strict doctypes. Now it's done with
But this works only for IE, as aligning and especially centering tables within a div should be done by setting proper margins(auto) or floating the table. Firefox et.all simply ignore the text-align rule. This issue is explained here in quite a good way: http://theodorakis.net/tablecentertest.html ------------------------------------------------------------------------ A first workaround: I've found a way to circumvent the problem, but I'm definitely not happy with it as it creates quite some tag-soup: Target: For Gecko-browsers and Opera we need to set margins for the imgtext-tables or float them according to the chosen position. To avoid messing with IE, this can be achieved by using css-attribute selectors. 1. First we need to wrap the complete IMGTEXT-Object with a position-specific class. This can be done with tt_content.image.20.stdWrap.dataWrap =
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2. Now we are able to address them seperately in our CSS: /* this centers images in Gecko/Opera */ div[class="imageorient-0"] table[class="imgtext-table"], div[class="imageorient-8"] table[class="imgtext-table"] { margin: 0 auto; } /* this right-aligns images above the text in Gecko/Opera */ div[class="imageorient-1"] table[class="imgtext-table"] { float: right; width: auto; } /* careful, sometimes other tags may follwow the table */ div[class="imageorient-1"] p { clear: right; } /* this right-aligns images below the text in Gecko/Opera */ div[class="imageorient-9"] table[class="imgtext-table"] { float: right; width: auto; } // this avoids following content to float besides the images div[class="imageorient-9"] div[class="break"] { clear: right; } For the left-alignment, nothing has to be done as this initially was the problem... ;-) In conclusion, lots of additional divs on your page :-( It would be much better if the core could output some position-specific class. Like
... And by the way, using the text-align property could sometimes lead to unwanted alignments within the imgtext-table. Any hints, tips or corrections to my problem are very welcome! Cheers, Torsten From schrade at lineara.de Thu May 26 11:51:32 2005 From: schrade at lineara.de (Torsten Schrade) Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:51:32 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > 1. First we need to wrap the complete IMGTEXT-Object with a > position-specific class. This can be done with > > tt_content.image.20.stdWrap.dataWrap =
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> > 2. Now we are able to address them seperately in our CSS: > I forgot to mention that of course I'd first tried out to select them with div[style="text-align:center;"] table[class="imgtext-table"] {} but somehow a css-attribute selector using the style attribute of a tag is not accepted by Gecko/Opera...maybe because of the ";"? greets, Torsten From lars at houmark.com Fri May 27 00:39:14 2005 From: lars at houmark.com (Lars Houmark) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 00:39:14 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers References: Message-ID: Hi Torsten, > Problem: When I upgraded to 3.8.0 and looked at my site with Firefox, > most of my images were not aligned properly anymore but just on the > left side. With IE however, they were allright. I can confirm this, and I think it should be considered a bug in TYPO3, as the core/csc is producing html/css output, which is not working cross-browser. Therefor this should be fixed in css_styled_content if it is possible, so that people can upgrade this extension to "save" their layout. Have you filed it on the bugtracker? If not, will you please do this, with your observations and your ideas for a fix? This way, it should be possible to make a patch/update of csc which could save the mailinglist massives of questions in the near future. Regards, Lars Houmark From schrade at lineara.de Fri May 27 08:00:09 2005 From: schrade at lineara.de (Torsten Schrade) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:00:09 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mark, > > Have you filed it on the bugtracker? If not, will you please do this, with > your observations and your ideas for a fix? This way, it should be possible > to make a patch/update of csc which could save the mailinglist massives of > questions in the near future. > I'll do it this afternoon when I'm back from work. When I tried to report it now i always got a *field error* in the bugtracker? cheers, Torsten From rupi at gmx.li Fri May 27 08:51:59 2005 From: rupi at gmx.li (Rupert Germann) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:51:59 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers References: Message-ID: Torsten Schrade wrote: > I'll do it this afternoon when I'm back from work. When I tried to > report it now i always got a *field error* in the bugtracker? I got the same error 2 days ago: seems that the field "TYPO3 Version" is required now. Workaround: choose a TYPO3 version (3.8.0rc1 f.e.) in this field ;-) This can easily be changed later but for now it's IMO more important that this bug don't get lost. greets rupi From alexander at schories.com Fri May 27 09:19:51 2005 From: alexander at schories.com (Alexander Schories) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:19:51 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers Message-ID: Hello Torsten, Hello Lars and Hello Rupert, first of all: Honestly thank you very much, Torsten, for not only describing the bug *but even* giving us a valueable solution! I can confirm as well, that all my sites show this behaviour under Gecko & Opera since the update to TYPO3 3.8.0 two days ago. For now i will try to implement the solution in my sites Torsten gave us. However, i totally agree with Lars and Rupert, that this should be an official bug along with an official fix. :) I love my firefox browser. And, even more i loved TYPO3 for rendering websites in the same pretty way on all browsers. I still would like to do so in the future. :D Kind Regards Alexander Schories Tuebingen, Germany If privacy or security of communication is on your mind, feel free to establish a secure transmission using the PGP public key obtainable from http://www.schories.com/alexander/pubkey/alexander_schories.asc From schrade at lineara.de Fri May 27 19:23:49 2005 From: schrade at lineara.de (Torsten Schrade) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:23:49 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Rupert Germann wrote: > I got the same error 2 days ago: seems that the field "TYPO3 Version" is > required now. > Workaround: choose a TYPO3 version (3.8.0rc1 f.e.) in this field ;-) > Thanks Rupert, that's done it! Issue filed as bug 0001115. cheers, Torsten From sachav at gmx.net Fri May 27 19:44:37 2005 From: sachav at gmx.net (Sacha Vorbeck) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:44:37 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] xhtml cleaning messes up spam protected email addresses? Message-ID: Hi, I`d like to know if you also made the experience that spam-protected email addresses won`t work if you enable xhtml cleaning in your setup. If so, did you find a solution for for this problem? I also tried the new spamProtectEmailAddresses = ascii option. TYPO 3.7.0 or 3.8.0 with css-styled-content and htmlArea RTE. With or without TemplaVoila!. -- thanks, Sacha From robert.markula at gmx.net Fri May 27 20:07:33 2005 From: robert.markula at gmx.net (Robert Markula) Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:07:33 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] xhtml cleaning messes up spam protected email addresses? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sacha Vorbeck wrote: > Hi, > > I`d like to know if you also made the experience that spam-protected > email addresses won`t work if you enable xhtml cleaning in your setup. > If so, did you find a solution for for this problem? > > I also tried the new spamProtectEmailAddresses = ascii option. > > TYPO 3.7.0 or 3.8.0 with css-styled-content and htmlArea RTE. With or > without TemplaVoila!. Hi Sacha, Do you use qcom_htmlcleaner? In the current version there is a bug which doesn't render spamProtectEmailAddresses in the right way (getting a 404 "Page not found" error). According to the author it will be fixed in the next version. The workaround for now is to deactivate the 'clean links' [clean_links] option in the extension properties of qcom_htmlcleaner. Regards, Ro From michael at typo3.org Sun May 29 20:20:53 2005 From: michael at typo3.org (Michael Stucki) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:20:53 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers References: Message-ID: Hi Torsten, > Problem: When I upgraded to 3.8.0 and looked at my site with Firefox, > most of my images were not aligned properly anymore but just on the left > side. With IE however, they were allright. > > Observation: There seems to be a difference regarding the rendering of > "classical" IMGTEXT-Objects in the new 3.8.0 (with "classical" I mean > the normal tt_content.image.20 rendering that comes from > css_styled_content). After a first look this was me who made that change after a suggestion on the dev list: http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/typo3-dev/2004-December/007370.html According to it this is required by XHTML 1.1. There are two options to fix the problem: a) Reverse the change b) Enable it only optionally considering the config.doctype setting (which is what I'm going to do I think) Generally I want to remark that I'm somewhat amazed that this bug was not found in any of our three pre-releases of 3.8.0. Our bugtracker got approximately twice as many bug reports since Monday (when 3.8.0 was released) than those we collected in the time since 3.8.0beta1. Therefore, don't wonder if the stable releases are not as "stable" as you could expect. It took me hours to release these pre-releases, but if nobody uses them after all, I will spend that time to go for some roller skating and we'll have the bugs fixed out some weeks after the "final" release has been done. Think about that! :-) Kind regards - michael -- Use a newsreader! Check out http://typo3.org/community/mailing-lists/use-a-news-reader/ From alexander at schories.com Sun May 29 21:53:11 2005 From: alexander at schories.com (Alexander Schories) Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:53:11 +0200 Subject: AW: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problemsin Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi Michael, > Therefore, don't wonder if the stable releases are not as > "stable" as you > could expect. The release of TYPO3 3.8.0 IS stable and *great*!! At least for me, this small image issue has no impact on TYPO3`s great stability at all! Thanks to Torsten Schrade we even got a working solution. And even more: Once i now know, that this issue (as far as i got it) is actually an understandable (!) problem of the Gecko-Engine, that seems to be shocked with sudden "XHTML 1.1" code in an "HTML 4.01 Transitional" declarated page - i see absolutely no reason for questioning this final release! No release (of any software) will be 100% perfect and bullit proof! Never ever.. :) > It took me hours to release these pre-releases, > but if nobody > uses them after all, I will spend that time to go for some > roller skating > and we'll have the bugs fixed out some weeks after the > "final" release has > been done. > > Think about that! :-) Well, i am sorry. Honestly. :| Because you hit the point: At least I was one of those guys who were just to lazy and even somewhat egocentric to check out the pre-releases, while "knowing that others will probably do that.." :-( I feel ashamed having somewhat ignored the efforts of all the people involved in these pre-releases.. I promise to install, thourougly test and mail my results of the next pre-releases!! >b) Enable it only optionally considering the config.doctype setting (which > is what I'm going to do I think) If i may leave my feedback here: This way seems to be fine! Thank you! Kind Regards Alexander Schories Tuebingen, Germany If privacy or security of communication is on your mind, feel free to establish a secure transmission using the PGP public key obtainable from http://www.schories.com/alexander/pubkey/alexander_schories.asc From info at cybercraft.de Mon May 30 00:17:13 2005 From: info at cybercraft.de (JoH) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 00:17:13 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers References: Message-ID: >> Problem: When I upgraded to 3.8.0 and looked at my site with Firefox, >> most of my images were not aligned properly anymore but just on the >> left side. With IE however, they were allright. >> >> Observation: There seems to be a difference regarding the rendering >> of "classical" IMGTEXT-Objects in the new 3.8.0 (with "classical" I >> mean the normal tt_content.image.20 rendering that comes from >> css_styled_content). > > After a first look this was me who made that change after a > suggestion on the dev list: > http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/typo3-dev/2004-December/007370.html > > According to it this is required by XHTML 1.1. > There are two options to fix the problem: > a) Reverse the change > b) Enable it only optionally considering the config.doctype setting > (which is what I'm going to do I think) > > Generally I want to remark that I'm somewhat amazed that this bug was > not found in any of our three pre-releases of 3.8.0. Well - I would have found it, and I could have told you that an "inline style" would not work here - apart from the fact that a class will always be preferrable ;-) But - I never noticed that thread you mentioned and for testing reasons I only upgraded my personal testsites, where I am not working with IMGTEXT at all since we are creating a TS based solution there using IMAGE and TEXT inside one surrounding COA. So I was not able to even see the bug. Sorry. Joey -- Wenn man keine Ahnung hat: Einfach mal Fresse halten! (If you have no clues: simply shut your knob sometimes!) Dieter Nuhr, German comedian openBC: http://www.openbc.com/go/invuid/Jo_Hasenau From sachav at gmx.net Mon May 30 02:04:16 2005 From: sachav at gmx.net (Sacha Vorbeck) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 02:04:16 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] xhtml cleaning messes up spam protected email addresses? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi, > The workaround for now is to deactivate the 'clean links' [clean_links] > option in the extension properties of qcom_htmlcleaner. thanks for your feedback. In 3.8.0 it was the qcom_htmlcleaner ext that caused the problem just like you said. But in 3.7.0 it also happens without the extension. I will update to 3.7.1 and see if the problem is fixed there. -- Ciao, Sacha From schrade at lineara.de Mon May 30 07:22:37 2005 From: schrade at lineara.de (Torsten Schrade) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 07:22:37 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good morning everybody, > But - I never noticed that thread you mentioned and for testing reasons I > only upgraded my personal testsites, where I am not working with IMGTEXT Same here. Additionally, it's a browser specific issue and not obvious for everybody at first sight. But anyway, it's a shame and it's very understandable that you are quite annoyed Michael. Sorry from me as well! Let's discuss some thoughts about a solution to this: First, considering the validity of align: according to my O'Reilly reference the align-attribute for divs is deprecated *only* for HTML 4.01 Strict and XHTML 1.1 Strict. But looking into the Specs from the W3C (http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/index/attributes.html) gives the impression that it is deprecated in general...? If anybody has clarifications on this please post it. Be that as it may, the impact on the two mentioned solutions is the same: 1) Reverse the change - is out of the question, as there clearly are doctypes where this attribute is not valid. 2) combine it with the config.doctype setting - better, but this only makes sense if the attribute really is deprecated just for the Strict doctypes. And there are some additional drawbacks: a) the text-align will have to stay in there even in the strict doctypes for backwards compatibility with IE 5+ - for them, margins don't work. As Joey said: an inline style is problematic - text align is inherited and this influences everything within the table, e.g. the caption. At the moment, this is solved by wrapping the caption in an additional div with another text align...ahem. This method rules out the possibility that we users can define some general alignment rules for imagecaptions: what if I want all my images at different positions but my captions always left-aligned -> I will have to set it for each single image... a general rule in my CSS will not work as the inline style always wins out... b) if the core begins to output browser specific CSS (for Gecko/Opera in this case) - well, where will that end? I think the aim for the core should always be to produce one single HTML/CSS concept that is valid for all browsers. Which leaves me with the conclusion that a) let's not just use the method of my *workaround* for solving that problem in the core > it's only a *workaround* and nothing the core would ideally produce. Unless this problem is fixed I'm glad though that it seems to be working for other people as well :-) b) let's have a look at the IMGTEXT function in class.tslib_content. Though my php is not the best I'll at least try to email you some structural suggestions Michael. And everybody else who is interested please do so as well. c) my posts are clearly to long! So before you get the impression that i want to write books in this list, have a nice day and cheers, Torsten From alexander at schories.com Mon May 30 08:33:07 2005 From: alexander at schories.com (Alexander Schories) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 08:33:07 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problemsin Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Good morning list, :) > b) if the core begins to output browser specific CSS (for > Gecko/Opera in > this case) - well, where will that end? I think the aim for the core > should always be to produce one single HTML/CSS concept that is valid > for all browsers. Agreed! I believe it is important, that TYPO3 continues to produce good, general output and will not have "x" render cores for "x" browsers or even browser versions, that would all have to be maintained separatly.. Thank you all for your efforts! Kind Regards Alexander Schories Tuebingen, Germany If privacy or security of communication is on your mind, feel free to establish a secure transmission using the PGP public key obtainable from http://www.schories.com/alexander/pubkey/alexander_schories.asc From schrade at lineara.de Mon May 30 11:37:52 2005 From: schrade at lineara.de (Torsten Schrade) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 11:37:52 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > b) let's have a look at the IMGTEXT function in class.tslib_content. > Though my php is not the best I'll at least try to email you some > structural suggestions Michael. And everybody else who is interested > please do so as well. ok, I've come up with some concepts that maybe point into the right direction: http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/schradt/imgtext.html I've had a look at things in class.tslib_content.php and thought to become clear first what html/css-concepts we want to achieve at the end. Targets: 1. Completely skip the align attribute. 2. Don't use any additional divs, especially clearing ones. 3. Have it compatible for IE5+ as well. If you have a look at the code on my page you can see that I've done it by using inline styles, even if Joey and myself have problematized this. But the point is a) if we skip the html-attribute and solely rely on css - that has to go somewhere and well, why not inline as this seems to be the easiest way for a patch b) after all the user decides to position an image and so has to live with the consequences ;-); after all, there are three other imgtext extensions that handle things differently. So, linking this concept to the class we would need the following changes in function IMGTEXT: - the text-align inline style has to stay in there, but only for imageorient-0 and imagorient-8. Otherwise the tables aren't centered in IE<6 - not one $tablecode but three variants of this variable, each one either floating the imgtext-table or setting auto-margins with inline styles - the enclosing div should always get a general and one position specific class - the enclosing div has to have a calculated height set by an inline style that roughly equals the height of the whole imgtext-table. This is for the floated types and I realize that this might be very difficult to achieve. As usual, any hints, corrections and suggestions very welcome, yours, Torsten From ben at netcreators.nl Mon May 30 15:21:26 2005 From: ben at netcreators.nl (ben van 't ende [netcreators]) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:21:26 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO3 3.8.0 XHTML strict mailform Message-ID: Hi List, I have been testing a bit with the latest mailform in TYPO3 3.8.0. I can't really get enthousiastic about it. On this page (http://ben.vantende.net/t3/mail/) you can find a mailform with almost all options with this setup: tt_content.mailform.20 { accessibility = 1 REQ = 1 layout = ###LABEL### ###FIELD###
COMMENT.layout = ###LABEL### RADIO.layout = ###LABEL###
###FIELD###

LABEL.layout = ###LABEL### ###FIELD###
labelWrap.wrap = | commentWrap.wrap = | radioWrap.wrap = REQ.labelWrap.wrap = | stdWrap.wrap =
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params.radio = class="mf-radio" params.check = class="mf-check" params.submit = class="mf-submit" } I haven't styled it in anyway, but validating (xhtml_strict) returns a number of errors: 1. attribute "name" in form element 2. attribute "wrap" in textarea element [accessibility = 1] 3. id's for radiobuttons are not unique. (don't now how this should actually be) who knows? 4. incredible long hashed id's. there is a bug describing an issue with square brackets here: http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=1075 Martin just told me he wants to patch that for 3.8.1 Does anyone have any thoughts on the first three items? Should they be deleted or changed to something else/ gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.nl - www.typo3.nl From mathias.schreiber at wmdb.de Mon May 30 15:47:16 2005 From: mathias.schreiber at wmdb.de (Mathias Schreiber [wmdb>]) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:47:16 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO3 3.8.0 XHTML strict mailform In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: > 1. attribute "name" in form element We did a funny test back at our UG meeting. If you write "" and send the form the server does not recieve and POST or GET parameters called "whatever". Maybe someone can clear things up a bit but right now I think it is not possible to send POST vars while being 100% XHTML strict compatible. -- if ($GLOBALS['TSFE']->fe_user->user['ahnung'] == 0) { $this->fresseHalten = 1; } From mathias.schreiber at wmdb.de Mon May 30 16:00:43 2005 From: mathias.schreiber at wmdb.de (Mathias Schreiber [wmdb>]) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:00:43 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO3 3.8.0 XHTML strict mailform In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mathias Schreiber [wmdb>] wrote: > ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: > >> 1. attribute "name" in form element > > > We did a funny test back at our UG meeting. > If you write "" and send the form the > server does not recieve and POST or GET parameters called "whatever". > Maybe someone can clear things up a bit but right now I think it is not > possible to send POST vars while being 100% XHTML strict compatible. ignore - read wrong -- if ($GLOBALS['TSFE']->fe_user->user['ahnung'] == 0) { $this->fresseHalten = 1; } From info at cybercraft.de Mon May 30 16:14:32 2005 From: info at cybercraft.de (JoH) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:14:32 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO3 3.8.0 XHTML strict mailform References: Message-ID: >>> 1. attribute "name" in form element >> >> >> We did a funny test back at our UG meeting. >> If you write "" and send the form >> the server does not recieve and POST or GET parameters called >> "whatever". Maybe someone can clear things up a bit but right now I >> think it is not possible to send POST vars while being 100% XHTML >> strict compatible. > > ignore - read wrong Sorry - initially it was me who read it wrong on the dev list. W3C say "name" is not allowed for form tags - but still allowed (and necessary) for elements inside a form. ;-) Joey -- Wenn man keine Ahnung hat: Einfach mal Fresse halten! (If you have no clues: simply shut your knob sometimes!) Dieter Nuhr, German comedian openBC: http://www.openbc.com/go/invuid/Jo_Hasenau From schwarzkopf.no.spam at artplan21.de Mon May 30 22:25:29 2005 From: schwarzkopf.no.spam at artplan21.de (Andreas Schwarzkopf) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 22:25:29 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO3 3.8.0 XHTML strict mailform In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Mathias, Mathias Schreiber [wmdb>] schrieb: > We did a funny test back at our UG meeting. > If you write "" and send the form the > server does not recieve and POST or GET parameters called "whatever". > Maybe someone can clear things up a bit but right now I think it is not > possible to send POST vars while being 100% XHTML strict compatible. this is valid xhtml 1.0 strict: grtx Andreas From info at cybercraft.de Mon May 30 23:01:01 2005 From: info at cybercraft.de (JoH) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:01:01 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO3 3.8.0 XHTML strict mailform References: Message-ID: >> We did a funny test back at our UG meeting. >> If you write "" and send the form >> the server does not recieve and POST or GET parameters called >> "whatever". Maybe someone can clear things up a bit but right now I >> think it is not possible to send POST vars while being 100% XHTML >> strict compatible. > > this is valid xhtml 1.0 strict: > > Fine - but will it be valid XHTML 1.1? Not sure about that since I got a bit confused by different messages on the list, where people wrote that "name" and square brackets will be not allowed anymore. Joey -- Wenn man keine Ahnung hat: Einfach mal Fresse halten! (If you have no clues: simply shut your knob sometimes!) Dieter Nuhr, German comedian openBC: http://www.openbc.com/go/invuid/Jo_Hasenau From michael at typo3.org Mon May 30 23:11:23 2005 From: michael at typo3.org (Michael Stucki) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:11:23 +0200 Subject: AW: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problemsin Gecko-Opera Browsers References: Message-ID: Hi Alexander, >> Therefore, don't wonder if the stable releases are not as >> "stable" as you could expect. > > The release of TYPO3 3.8.0 IS stable and *great*!! Thanks, I didn't know that! ;-) Just joking, see above - I meant it's not _as_ stable as you could expect... However it has at least 200 bugs less than 3.7.0 has! > Well, i am sorry. Honestly. :| > > Because you hit the point: At least I was one of those guys who were just > to lazy and even somewhat egocentric to check out the pre-releases, while > "knowing that others will probably do that.." :-( > > I feel ashamed having somewhat ignored the efforts of all the people > involved in these pre-releases.. > > I promise to install, thourougly test and mail my results of the next > pre-releases!! If you keep your word then my mail was worth the time. May others follow your example... Regards, michael -- Use a newsreader! Check out http://typo3.org/community/mailing-lists/use-a-news-reader/ From michael at typo3.org Mon May 30 23:17:56 2005 From: michael at typo3.org (Michael Stucki) Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 23:17:56 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignment problems in Gecko-Opera Browsers References: Message-ID: Hi Torsten, > > b) let's have a look at the IMGTEXT function in class.tslib_content. >> Though my php is not the best I'll at least try to email you some >> structural suggestions Michael. And everybody else who is interested >> please do so as well. > > ok, I've come up with some concepts that maybe point into the right > direction: http://www.staff.uni-mainz.de/schradt/imgtext.html Your comments look fine, thanks so far. Please coordinate with this group and as soon as you have agreed on a solution, file a bug report and send it to me. You are the experts! - michael -- Use a newsreader! Check out http://typo3.org/community/mailing-lists/use-a-news-reader/ From alexander at schories.com Tue May 31 08:39:34 2005 From: alexander at schories.com (Alexander Schories) Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 08:39:34 +0200 Subject: [TYPO3-content-rendering] TYPO 3.8 and image alignmentproblemsin Gecko-Opera Browsers In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello Michael, > Just joking, see above - I meant it's not _as_ stable as you > could expect... I understood that - i just gave you no further details, that for us here it IS as stable as we dared to expect: Well, there are many complex TYPO3 sites running here. All of them were updated to 3.8.0. A school site with teachers, pupils, means many users - nobody found the image-alignment-problem. Even after i discovered it a day later and told them, that i will look out for a fix, people told me once more that they love TYPO3 and it is no big issue for them at all! As an interim solution i patched back the code in class.tslib_content.php to 3.7.0. Everybody seems to be *very* happy here with 3.8.0 - until now nobody has complained a single time..so at least over here it`s all stable and wonderfull. Really. :) So please understand, that i somewhat dislike people always complaining to be "shocked" about a bug in a "final version" of a software. Well folks, "final" will never mean perfect. Even not for TYPO3. :D > However it has at least 200 bugs less than 3.7.0 has! Cool! > If you keep your word then my mail was worth the time. May > others follow > your example... Don`t worry - i keep my word! Btw: As you will know, i am not that far away located from you - so i will always have to fear "Major Stucki" coming to my place and beat me up. :D Thank you once again! Kind Regards Alexander Schories Tuebingen, Germany If privacy or security of communication is on your mind, feel free to establish a secure transmission using the PGP public key obtainable from http://www.schories.com/alexander/pubkey/alexander_schories.asc