[TYPO3-jobs] Customers hiring TYPO3 Developers to steal sites

[Dieter Bunkerd]

On 30.04.14 16:05, Andreas Becker wrote:
> You are right about Trustworthyness and also about Expectations but the
> point in that case is actually the other side that another Developers steal
> the site! It is not the customer doing it. It is i.e. Employees from
> Mittwald which logged into the site without prior consent and surfed around
> as they told and verified their access times and IPs.

I think, we shouldn't discuss legal matters in this list, unless there 
is a lawyer who has the proper knowledge. There are always two sides of 
a medal and we simply don't know who is right or wrong, plus we have no 
chance to find out either.

If people would have done this to me, I'd have sued them. It is a matter 
of a small down payment and a couple of emails to hire a lawyer in 
Germany, even from Thailand.

I often work with Mittwald accounts (not ours, but customers) and I 
never had any problems. I can't believe that Mittwald is going to ruin 
their reputation by doing illegal things of any kind. But if you feel 
they did, sue them, no other chance.

> Fakt is also that the site for sure will go online sometime and somewhere
> and I guess they can't keep it not published for 5 years. (Verjaehrungs
> Fristen for minor offenses) If it is a minor or a major offense to log into
> a website without prior consent, needs to be clarified for possible future
> similar cases.

Again, if "they" (I assume "they" means Mittwald) logged in to any 
account of one of their customers, "they" were told to do so. If the 
really did that without the consent of their customer, they still could 
have had a reason.

> That you have to trust clients etc pp is all ok and true but don't we need
> to trust our Fellow Developers and especially a Hosting Company like
> Mittwald too that they don't enter sites without prior consent of the
> Developing Company. And for sure it would be not OK if they would access a
> server run by an Agency which develops that site.

They don't care who develops it, they only care who the account owner 
is. He pays and he is the only one allowed to order them.

> Concerning Admin rights etc. When you do training with customers to train
> them that they are actually lateron able to manage their site themselves,
> there is often the point where they simply will have admin access.

If I train them and if I don't have the payment yet, I give them access 
to a demo site with the same environment that will exist on his site in 
development. No payment, no goods. It's that easy, unless I know the 
customer in question is trustworthy.

> But even worst is actually that another TYPO3 Developer is the hacking into
> the site your are developing and installing extensions and doing probably
> other nasty things in the sites.
>
> What would you actually do with that Developer - actually with those people
> who entered the site without your prior consent?

I'd send all the documents to a German lawyer, send him the requested 
down payment and sue these people. If it is like you say, you'll win. 
Also the lawyer having all the documents will be able to calculate the 
risk of losing the case.

Best regards
Dieter