[TYPO3-english] A TYPO3 quick start package...

[Georg Ringer]

Hi,

I stop writing any comments in this thread after this one as your mails
are just too long and you repeat your arguments over and over again.

Am 24.09.2012 04:02, schrieb Andi:
> Pleaae read the post of Dmitry Kay and myself again. You can create nice sites with any templating but the way how customers can change things by themselves without being a programmer and without even knowing much about html and css is simply NOT easy to accomplish with standard or also fluid templating until now.

We are all working with customers too, just a reminder if you did forget
that. As the company I am working at still exists and go success too it
seems that we are not doing everything wrong ;)

 The frustration is not coming from the way how you want to satisfy your
customers but from the fact that since years we have exactly the same
discussions and exactly the same answers from core.

the core is the core and if you need something else, do it either as
extension or as a feature in the core. Nothing happens from discussion
alone.

> Like already said templavoila is a MAJOR templating engine in TYPO3 since 2002 actually I would say usable since 2004! 

it is the one for you, not for everybody.

> Since over 8 years there are developers which until now not even have tried TV! but complain.

you are the one complaining.


> In 8 years TemplaVoila grew up to be innovative too in comparison with any otherCMS.

you wanna compare an extension with the a different core? oh come on...

> Yes it is a pitty that TV has not more Devs in the core team but the reason is probably that TV is used by many non programmers Designers and Editors and has been programed by geniusses which inherutet the inspire to share idea.

and there are many other more important things to do in the core besides
a template engine and also those are not all solved because lack of people.

> I hope that next week there will be a working templavoila and realurl version available in TER as if the fix is SOOO easy like described than people would only need access to the extensions as Dmitry already wrote to apply those fixes and perhaps even more features and improvements for TV and realurl.

as this is a fix in the extensions, this can be done already now.

> 1. modify improve core

???? we do that all the time! There was a cool codesprint just this
weekend to improve the core

> 2. new feature freeze - Beta and inform major extension devs like TV and realurl

more info is always a good choise but did you now that you can download
the current development status 24/7 at git.typo3.org?

> 3. give them time and knowhow manpower to apply the easy changes as you said

just because 6.0 is out you don't need to have *all* extensions
available at the same release day. You won't switch to 6.0 every
customer either.

> 4. release beta 1 - now all other extension devs can start in both templating worlds to apply their changes too.

beta2 is alredy out.

> 5. release beta versions

beta2 is already out. everybody can test it and report/fix bugs.

> 6. release the stable version as really stable version and not as yellow lemon version like since 4.1!! which needs lots of changes again just after it has been released.

we do our bests, for every release of every version.

> Make TYPO3 again as stable as with 3.6.1 or the 3.7. 

LOL, just take 3.6.x if you prefer that.

> This simple way would use the real power of TYPO3 and will be build on the feedback of the whole TYPO3 Community.

simple if there are endless people who code, test, report, pay ...

> To follow these steps is actually the job IMHO of a release manager.

the release manager got also many other tasks but those things are
always taken care. Nobody breaks stuff because he wants to.

georg