[TYPO3-english] TYPO3 Training Method Survey
ab.becker at web.de
Sun May 31 20:35:12 CEST 2009
When you need some help for the next round of survey or to talk about more
check your gmailtalk - I have got you usually in GREEN so I guess you too -
if I am grey simply try if I am there :-)
Thanks for your time setting all up of this
On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Virgil Huston <vh at acqal.com> wrote:
> Hi Andi,
> This is a great note, which is why the delay in responding as it really
> me think. See my responses below.
> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:16 PM, Andreas Becker <ab.becker at web.de> wrote:
> > Hi Virgil
> > Where is Part 2 and 3 of this survey?
> VH- this is just the beginning, I hope, that will lay the ground work for
> going deeper into the topic. I felt a rather simple survey was needed to 1)
> set the baseline, 2) be easy and quick to complete, thus encouraging
> participation, and 3) be pretty easy to analyze.
> > Your questionnaire is interesting but unfortunately it is only asking
> > general questions about how to learn but not what would be the best way
> > TYPO3 to learn and WHY - It is simply much to general to present an
> > (incomplete) list of learning methods to a community.
> VH- the survey is asking what the best methods are from the choices
> along with an open ended question for methods that you feel are missing.
> This is not the time to include the soecific "why" questions
> > Also I am missing some
> > more in deep examples to be evaluated:
> > i.e. take a WEC Class and ask what people like, why and why not
> > i.e. take some commercial TYPO3 Videos and ask the same questions
> > i.e. take some examples from books and ask the same
> > i.e. take the podcasts and ask why they are good for learning or why not
> > what could be improved
> > and so on
> VH-I agree with this and maybe I can set up some experiments to cover such
> things. I was thinking that, once the top methods are identified, then we
> move into questions like this. However, this is not easy to control an
> experiment like this remotely, so requires much thought.
> > There are so many examples of TYPO3 Leanring content available in the
> > Internet which could be used for this evaluation and to develop a real
> > concept for a New Way To Learn Typo3!
> > I.e the best way of learning is always a combination of different methods
> > and channels.
> > and than there are lots of problems not mentioned.
> VH-I agree again.
> > Language Barrier:
> > 1. There are lots of Video Trainings which aren't actual usable for
> > people who don't know German as they are NOT in English
> > 2. Most communications are old om the German Mailing lists and people
> > don't understand German are simply out
> > 3. Most literature is in German
> VH-I am aware of this, that is one reason I am very interested in the
> European and Asian (and other regions, like India) responses, to see what
> may be missing from one language group to another. The survey is getting
> great participation from Europe so far, much more so than anywhere else,
> including the US.
> > User Groups - Social Gatherings:
> > 1. Over Year and actually still TYPO3 is mainly focusing on a community
> > in Europe (mainly Germany) instead of spreading the word worldwide and
> > getting involved more people i.e. from Asia, even Africa or South
> > America.
> > Beside a little Australia and US there is simply nothing!
> > 2. Snow Board Tour, DeveloperDays, T3Conn ... take place mainly in
> > Germany and its surrounding countries. Now even the TYPO3 Integrator
> > Certification is NOT available here in Asia where people would like to
> > take
> > the exams too I guess.
> > 3. The Integration of people from low cost countries gets often very
> > discussed on forums and lists and this isn't really useful to build up
> > worldwide community, as these people do a very good job and meanwhile
> > the ones spreading the word of TYPO3 to their own regions often facing
> > now
> > huge Joomla and Drupal UserGroups. They had ben using the other
> > and
> > spread the word to the world and are now fast growing in these
> > to
> > create and discover new markets - TYPO3 not.
> VH-again, I agree, I have already identified methods that were not listed
> from the open ended question and I an adding your note to the results to be
> used in looking at the open ended responses. I also hope you complete the
> survey even if you think is it lacking in some things.
> > On Site Trainings, Search for Qualified Developers, Prices - Costs
> > 1. we i.e. have given several Trainings in the past years at UNESCO
> > in Bangkok with great success after web format had started with the
> > training in Thailand at all in 2006. We have now a very small - more
> > internal - ThaiPo3 usergroup. But regional distances are huge here and
> > therefor TYPO3 User Group Meetings like you have i.e. in Stuttgart or
> > elsewhere are simply not possible and affordable (traveling costs).
> > 2. We talked to companies, agencies and developers here and they really
> > like TYPO3 when they see it, but they simply can't find TYPO3
> > or
> > developers who would like to invest in TYPO3 even they already are
> > setting
> > up lots of websites in Joomla and making good money with it! TYPO3 is
> > more
> > expensive than a Joomla Page and people don't have often so much funds
> > pay for these expenses!
> > 3. While in Germany manpower is expensive in most of the South East
> > Countries + India man power is very very cheap and therefore still most
> > of
> > the websites are simple individual html/php sites. People even do see
> > great benefit of a CMS at all!
> > Longterm Continuous Support (i.e. Magento, eZ-Publish, ... )
> > 1. TYPO3 is still missing some kind of valuable support model. The
> > Integrator sounds nice but when you tell people here about it they
> > laughing as they don't want a TYPO3 Integrator they want somebody who
> > build the site on time with a high quality. In other words people in
> > these
> > countries look for what you do and not for what you have a paper or
> > certificate for.
> > 2. On the other hand nearly all are meanwhile looking for long term
> > support and therefore looking for agencies who can provide them with
> > these
> > support (especially a bit bigger companies) They don't like anymore the
> > switching forth and back between developers who are perfect for the
> > moment
> > an than gone and the next one needs lots of time to get into the old
> > TYPO3
> > System.
> > 3. More and more people also want support meanwhile 24/7 and don't care
> > where in the world the supporter is helping. They don't need somebody
> > holding hands onsite but somebody who can help fast and when help is
> > needed.
> > i.e. we give e-, skype, phone and chat support for WEC and T3Pack
> > is
> > an extended WEC and 100% compatible to WEC) TYPO3 websites, but often
> > people
> > contact us with their TYPO3 website problems which are not WEC and it
> > much harder to help them as we don't have a similar system what they
> > running here onsite and first need to figure out how their site has
> > build. >> Standards (like those known from WEC) are missing!
> > Internships
> > 1. The best way to learn TYPO3 is to learn it from somebody who has
> > already experiences in setting up TYPO3 website. Therefore more
> > Internships
> > would be needed.
> > 2. i.e we provide students from all around the world who would like to
> > develop website using TYPO3, eZ-Publish, Magento, Presto, Silverstripe,
> > Drupal and Web 2.0 Mashups and Applications i.e. for Marketing to come
> > us. Here they can work together with local developers. We provide them
> > with
> > a maximum 3 year visa and work permit. They need to bring good skill
> > and be willing to train our local people. It helps us to train our
> > students and developers in "western work habits" by foreigners, it also
> > trains their English skills and it helps us a lot to get more TYPO3
> > developers - as our company is looking mainly for Interims with TYPO3
> > skill
> > sets! On the other hand our interims enjoy the flexible halfday working
> > hours and the flair of ICT Innovation Paradise in Andaman Sea - to be
> > ICT
> > (TYPO3) pioneer with great recreational effect :-)
> > Bringing the world together will help us to lower any TYPO3 learning
> > barriers and to discover new markets all around the world. You yourself
> > also active in Asia/China an I guess you know what great market we are
> > talking about!
> > Get it for TYPO3
> VH-Andi, this is a great post and I appreciate you taking the time to write
> it. I will use it in the analyses of the open-ended question responses.
> > Andi
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