[TYPO3-english] Why there is not an " official " online Forum for TYPO3 ?

[Florian Seirer]

Hi Georg!

Could you tell me what (windows) tools you are using to search the 
newsgroups?

I don't need anything offline and I don't care much for ads, but 
actually finding something *fast* in the newsgroups is quite frustrating 
for me.

Since the data from support.typo3.org is still outdated (march 09) and 
the search is broken (no results), I, just out of curiousity, downloaded 
about 300000 (!) mails from the newsgroups I am interested in. That 
alone took a whole night. Searching for a word with Thunderbird in the 
bodytext took more than a minute while using 200MB RAM and 60% of a Dual 
Core CPU. And I was only searching within the english newsgroup (~97k 
mails).
Thunderbird - and probably other newsgroup readers like Outlook Express 
or Windows Live Mail - also lists the results by date, and not by 
relevance.

Furthermore, Desktop Search Engines like google desktop or Windows 
Search don't support newsgroups at all.

I know that there are some websites like www.typo3-jack.net that try to 
make the newsgroups available and searchable. But then again, they are 
not official and I don't know what exactly they are indexing.

So maybe the right tools could solve my problem. Until then, the 
newsgroups will be the second to last place I will visit for TYPO3 
knowledge or solutions. My mom comes last. ;-)

Kind regards,
Florian


Am 20.05.2009 18:00, schrieb Georg Ringer:
> Denyer Ec wrote:
>> For *me* and it appears others, maillinglists are not the ideal. I
>> ONLY use mailling lists for TYPO3 because I have to, every other
>> project I am involved with or seek information regarding ultimately
>> leads me to a forum.
>
> and I love this way of the newsgroups (which is btw a very old concept)
> because I got everything offline, a powerful offline search, no ads,
> text (and attachments only), fast and not annying.
>
> But still, I understand you!
>
>> Responses
>> like "Learn German"
>
> those don't come from people you should trust! true, many things are in
> german but all docs are in English!
>
>> How about this for a proposition:
>>
>> Step 1: Ask for a volunteer community manager and team of people to
>> step up, allow them to set up a forum that has a direct link from the
>> www.typo3.org frontpage.
>
> why not you! It is always the same damn thing... someone says "this
> would be great" followed by "someone [and not me] should do all the work
> for the things I want.
>
> Do it yourself, search for a team, search for a sponsor and it will be
> running!
>
> Create the forum you want, make a proposal for the interface to the
> newsserver and everything should be fine!
>
>> I'm not bashing the current approaches, I'm one of the people who
>> sucked it up, learned how to use maillinglists and is currently
>> actually learning German (!!)
>
> so what? German is bad or what do you want to tell me? In many cases it
> is the other way round leading people no choice then to learn English.
> Others learn PHP to get something working
>
>> "Our vision: inspiring people to share"
>
> yeah, it is *your* part to share too! What have you shared until now?
> What have *you* done for TYPO3 or the community and is this in any
> relation to what you have gotten so far?
>
>> "Our mission: to jointly innovate excellent free software enabling
>> people to communicate"
>
> There is nowhere written that it needs to be a forum but if you want it,
> create it! Noone will be mad at you - really!
>
>> Telling people to learn to use a newsreader or a foreign language to
>> me is not so inspirational or enabling :)
>
> Telling people to do things because you need it yourself is also not the
> part I like
>
> Georg