[TYPO3-english] so called TYPO3-supporting providers

[Rudy Gnodde]

Hello,

A testing script would be very nice indeed.

And I also agree a certificate for hosting providers would be a good 
thing, but only if it is done correctly. The problem, as pointed out by 
Ries, is that any test done for the certificate would be a snapshot. The 
situation can change at any time. So I think the only way to do this 
properly is to check periodically (once a year would be good), which 
means the certification would be a service which has to be paid each 
year. If a hoster doesn't pay they won't get tested and loose their 
certified status.

The biggest problem with the hosting certificate I see is what to test. 
Is server security part of the test? Is general TYPO3 knowledge? Is 
their level of service? Or should they just have one or more servers 
that can run TYPO3 correctly and fully?

Regards,

Rudy


Ries van Twisk wrote:
> 
> On Jul 5, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Ron Hall wrote:
> 
>> Hello Bernd,
>>
>> First let me say that your suggestion for a testing script is a good
>> one. SlideShowPro director has such a script for its application and I
>> have found it helpful. It checks for all the required items and also
>> for the "nice to have" items. It would even better that it be a stand
>> alone file not a T3d file as you could test before you had TYPO3
>> installed.
>>
>> However, I still believe a paid certification is still a good idea. A
>> hosting company would not have to be certified. They can still claim
>> they support TYPO3 just like non-certified developers can offer TYPO3
>> services. I have not yet taken the certification exam, but I am a
>> competent TYPO3 developer and advertise as such.
> 
> A paid certification also need to be monitored,
> large companies can just buy themselve in even though they
> have a certification, they can change it later on to suite there needs.
> With monitoring you can assure on a day to day basis they the company
> still functions as it would function when it got the certification.
> This needs LOTS of time.
> Also paid certifications would be used only by companies that has TYPO3
> as there core business. I don't think that a company like servage for 
> example (TYPO3 works there)
> will buy such a thing.
> 
> 
> I seriously think that a test script would benefit everybody, but mostly 
> developers/integrators
> that build a website for clients that are hosted elsewhere.
> 
> Also, what does certification really mean??? I remember these days of 
> Microsoft certified
> bla bla bla... But these people only did read the book theoretical (a 
> lot did at that time because they could make good $$$$),
> in practice they stood nowhere close to somebody that had real life 
> experience with subjects.
> 
> Ries
> 
> 
> 
>>
>> Non-certification does not mean a company is not competent, but simply
>> that, for whatever reason, they have chosen not to be certified. But
>> certification would mean that the company has invested the time and
>> capital to be certified and that those efforts are officially
>> recognized.
>>
>> As for hosting companies deciding on certification or not, there is a
>> difference between a hosting company being cheap and being low-cost.
>>
>> To be profitable, a low-cost provider depends upon volume, in other
>> words, hosting many sites. Since certification fees would be charged
>> per host and not per site, these hosts should be able to afford
>> certification as easily as premium hosts.
>>
>> The hosts that would have trouble would be those that are trying to
>> conduct business by being low-cost AND low-volume which is always an
>> unprofitable business strategy.
>>
>> Ron Hall
>> Busy Noggin, Inc.
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2009, at 10:58 AM, bernd wilke wrote:
>>
>>> Am Sun, 05 Jul 2009 10:37:13 -0500 schrieb Ron Hall:
>>>
>>>> Hi Andi,
>>>>
>>>> Athough I believe the Association should not bother itself with
>>>> policing
>>>> hosts who simply say they support TYPO3, I also believe your idea
>>>> of a
>>>> hosting certification has merit. I could see it working like the
>>>> current
>>>> developer certification. The Association could legitimately charge
>>>> fees
>>>> since time would needed for verifying and monitoring the certified
>>>> hosts
>>>> and hosts would gain value by being certified.
>>>
>>> I don't think that providers which want to be cheap would pay for a
>>> certificate.
>>> may be we could build up a more complex test than the IM-tests in
>>> install-
>>> tool? something similar to the acid-test for browsers:
>>> a basic webpage as t3d-import which includes the most common
>>> functionality (requiring an extension which must be installed before,
>>> working on some images, sending a mail (registering), pdf to img, AI
>>> to
>>> img, ... )
>>>
>>> Each provider can install this testpage and everyone can see on the
>>> resulting website which functions are available, which not.
>>>
>>> bernd
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>             regards, Ries van Twisk
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