[TYPO3] Documentation by TYPO3 with pdf-renderer

Tue Mar 18 04:17:48 CET 2008

Hey Ries,

I understand how good LaTex is for typesetting, it is just hard to learn. I
layout and publish books from time to time, so tried to learn it a few years
ago and had trouble. So, I use Quark and Pagemaker/In Design that I can
handle. Both of those do a good, job. We have to remember that no word
processor is a good program to produce a book or manual in. That includes OO
and Word, but that was never the purpose of a word processor. That said, the
way current TYPO3 manuals are formatted, they can be done in OO, but any
books or longer documents really need to be done in a layout program. I
would never try and use a OO or Word file for a full book (even when
converting to pdf because one change throws everything off.)
Virgil

On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 11:01 PM, ries van Twisk <typo3 at rvt.dds.nl> wrote:

> Hey Virgil,
>
> there are some pretty decent frontends for it nows days.
> We do use LaTeX for rendering full color catalogs for over a year now.
> This does work spotless and creates beautiful catalogs without a
> worrying
> if the system will work, how it will look... etc etc. I can send you a
> sample of you like...
>
>
> As a type setter, LaTeX truly rocks and there is hardly now other
> (free) system that can come even
> close to the quality of TeX, even OO does a bad jon compared to a real
> typesetting system.
>
> But yes it comes at a price and LaTeX does have a learning curve.
> However once data is stored in a good database (like TYPO3) then you
> can go
> in many directions when it come of generation of final documents.
> Personally I don't find TYPO3 as a good editor for large documents,
> however it's not bad for it's price and we all know how it works which
> makes the learning curve low
> for editors.
>
> Ries
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 9:45 PM, virgil huston wrote:
>
> > Hi Ries,
> >
> > I will use LaTex if you teach me how :-) I just was reminded when I
> > read
> > your message that TYPO3 is not the most difficult software I ever
> > tried to
> > learn, LaTex was! It made absolutely no sense at all. I think this
> > is not a
> > good option unless things have change in the last 2 or 3 year and it
> > has a
> > good frontend.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Virgil
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 10:31 PM, ries van Twisk <typo3 at rvt.dds.nl>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> To give you all a other option there is something called latex,
> >> it takes a our or 2 to get used to... But then you can render in any
> >> format perfectly.
> >> LaTeX was created for documentation creation for academic uses, book
> >> creations
> >> where you can concentrate on writing rather then markup which is why
> >> most people
> >> spend half of the time in there documents just to make it look good..
> >>
> >>
> >> However I do feel that OO is better suited and easy to use for
> >> everybody,
> >> except for the Letter/a4 issue... but handy made a good suggestion to
> >> solve that, but needs
> >> testing I assume.
> >>
> >> I do feel that TYPO3 is not a good solution for serious documentation
> >> generation like Daniel suggested.
> >> making good looking PDF files out of any webside, TYPO3 or not is
> >> hard, but not impossible because
> >> of the way TYPO3 stored information. But a simple html2pdf tool will
> >> not do the trick. You then need to dive
> >> into XSLT already to make it work reliable...
> >>
> >> just my two cents...
> >>
> >> Ries
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 17, 2008, at 6:44 PM, virgil huston wrote:
> >>
> >>> One question. Is there a way to have pages not A4. A4 really messes
> >>> up US
> >>> printers. I have seen cases where printers are "down" for days. Is
> >>> there a
> >>> way to make a choice between A4 and the US letter size in these
> >>> cases.
> >>>
> >>> Virgil
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Daniel Bruessler
> >>> <danielb at typo3.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hallo Andreas,
> >>>>
> >>>> yes, you're right TYPO3 would be the best choice.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is there a pdf-renderer extension in TER that does automatic
> >>>> page-breaks? We really need a tool that does NOT have fixed pages.
> >>>>
> >>>> The copy-and-paste of the RTE is really good - it allows to add
> >>>> pictures
> >>>> without uploading.
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers!
> >>>> Daniel
> >>>>
> >>>>> Best of all : We already HAVE THIS TOOL!!!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> USE TYPO3
> >>>>> it provides workspaces
> >>>>> it provides versioning
> >>>>> it provides multiple language
> >>>>> it provides one of the best user managements
> >>>>> it can read/import OO/Word/PDF
> >>>>> it has a realtext Editor with lots of features
> >>>>> It provides a much better way then google docs or another tool to
> >>>>> insert
> >>>>> CODE examples
> >>>>> can create PDF
> >>>>> it can be printed as a complete BOOK (EXT:pipeline)
> >>>>> an online Version and a printed Version could be combined in One
> >>>>> Tree.
> >>>>> Parts of "Translations" could be reused for several Levels
> >>>>> Andi
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> >> Ries van Twisk
> >> tags: Freelance TYPO3 JBoss JasperReports Flex Blaze-DS WebORB
> >> PostgreSQL DB-Architect
> >> email: ries at vantwisk.nl
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