[TYPO3] T3CON07 pricing and people from low payed countries..

ries van Twisk typo3 at rvt.dds.nl
Fri Jul 13 17:21:47 CEST 2007

Hey all,

I have read this mail from kasper :

> http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/tycon3/2005-June/000134.html

it's all nice and dandy but still we need to remember these companies  
from low
wage countries that is using TYPO3 as well. Something that is not  
shown in that mail.
Which (I think) was basically started as 'just to expensive'.

I do understand that the conference is not for people that don't run  
a business
based on TYPO3. However there are quite a number of people that are.

My initial point still stands, that it's to expensive for people from  
low wage countries.
I do need to change my opinion about this a bit but I still think it  
can be fear
to let them in for a lower rate.


On Jul 13, 2007, at 9:21 AM, JoH wrote:

>>> The T3CON first was planned to be a "Snowboardtour without snow" to
>>> get rid of those hundreds of nerds that only came there to step on
>>> the nerves of a core developer or even Kasper himself.
>>> On the other hand there was the T3 Association who desperately  
>>> needed
>>> sponsoring to make the core developers keep up the good work and
>>> concentrate on the important stuff.
>>> Maybe you remember the famous: "Free as in free speech, not as in
>>> free beer"?
>> First of all Joh - Who is missing the point? A SnowboardTour without
>> Snow? Hundreds of Nerds? CoreDevelopers Freedom? Kasper would be the
>> last casting out people from low paid countries if he believes in
>> Christ like he always said - and I believe he does believe in him!
> I will skip the majority of your posting, since our points of view  
> differ
> too much to expect some kind of consensus.
> From my point of view the T3CON was planned to be a high price  
> business
> event from the beginning for various reasons that I already  
> explained and
> that's what it is now.
> From your point of view it should be more like a community meeting,  
> but
> therefor we got other events.
> But to show you that your estimation about Kaspers reasons to setup  
> this
> conference is not just slightly wrong I recommend reading the  
> following
> thread:
> http://lists.netfielders.de/pipermail/tycon3/2005-June/000134.html
> And to clarify some other points:
> 1.) Milchmädchenrechnung: As I already pointed out, people have  
> certain
> expectations when they pay those high fees. Even the OSCON is  
> always located
> at one of the most expensive hotels in town just because more  
> people will
> come and pay. Tim O'reilly said: It's about those guys in the T-Shirts
> entering the places they were never allowed to see from the inside  
> before
> ... - Many people like that, and they pay for it.
> 2.) I said: Most of the core developers are living in countries  
> with high
> wages so they definitely need more money than a low paid worker in  
> Thailand.
> And this has absolutely nothing to do with the price they would  
> have to pay
> for the conference, but with the money the conference will earn for  
> them, so
> that some features and bugfixes can be sponsored. If you want to  
> sponsor a
> German developer you will definitely have to pay him more money  
> than for
> another guy from i.e. Thailand. Since most of the core developers  
> are living
> in countries with higher wages, you need more money for sponsoring.
> Let's stop here for now and start again later with a new thread about
> T3DIVE, since this would be a very interesting event for me ...
> Joey
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