[TYPO3] No tutorials?

[Tyler Kraft]

Sorry for the mis-understanding, as I didn't intend it as an insult. The 
intended point being you were "the kettle calling the pot black" to some 
degree in my eyes.


1) Yes I agree the documentation could be much better, but actually I 
think its the organisation of the documentation that lacks not the 
documentation itself. All I ever routinely use for documentation is 
tsref, tsconfig, the htmlarea manual. anything else gets a cursory 
glance occasionally - why? Because those are the main foundations of any 
site, and if you can't figure it out using them then usually your not 
thinking the problem throught fully I've found.

2) fine but most commercial CMS cost money, and that therefore pays for 
the documentation AFAIK. And other open source CMS that I've 
tried/looked at don't even hold a candle to typo3, so writing 
documentation for a simple "paperclip" of a CMS isn't really comparable 
to writing documentation for typo3

3) It definatly sounded that way if you ask me.

4) numerous broken links actually! The point was that even on a small 
site like yours (not meant in a demeaning way but as a comparison) 
keeping track of everything and ensuring it is up to date is difficult. 
To imply that that has not been done good enough with reference material 
for T3 which is a huge complex, ever evolving thing... a bit of whinge 
really

Maybe I'm just getting cynical about every month there being the same 
silly newbie questions where people haven't invested there own time 
investigating for a solution. And then they start to complain that it's 
hard, the documentation isn't good, no one responds to there questions 
on the list....

So be realistic - a few day course and people will be able to develop 
with it. Some how after 4 years with it I doubt that. Sure maybe a 
simple little site, but I would guess that anything complex will be 
beyond their reach.

So my objection here is that one could get the same type of thing as you 
described in the getting started documentation (as it seems to have all 
the things you said you wrote the documentation for).

The difference is that it doesn't unrealistically then tell people they 
are typo3 developers. A three day course might just about start to cover 
how to get started - it does not make a developer though, so Jamie lets 
not say it does.