[TYPO3] No tutorials?

[Jamie Lawrence Jenner]

whoa there now!

1. The current documentation for typo3 is not up to par, this is mentioned
many times on these lists,
2. compared to other cms, typos documentation is bad
3. i am not slagging off others, if i offended then sorry,
4. Oops, broken link, should be pointing to another domain (cheers)

The reason, as i stated, is that new users dont understand the concepts.
These are key to understanding how to do tasks in Typo3. Sure we can write
in some docs create a sys folder, set constants, but it is not easy to find
what a sys folder is or where the constants editor is, or in fact what the
constants do.

It took me months to understand how to use Typo3, but, what i did was
document the key concepts, what pages are, the different content elements
are, extensions, templating in templa voila, and wrote them in a very simple
to understand

I am not saying that the developers i taught were gurus, but they understood
key concepts such as differnt page types, constants editor, typoscript
basics, its functionality, what static templates are, creating sites in
templa, the steps of installing extensions, mapping content areas, and a
whole load of other concepts.Saying this  typo3 newbies is like speaking in
a foreign language. I also then provided visual learning aids, whcih i used
to teach them, but they also had access to these after. On the weeks since
the course, they have been creating internal sites, and re working some
client sites. I have recieve a couple of calls form them, but most of the
time they will use the information i wrote, or be able to trouble shoot as
they know the roles of constants, static templates etc

The ISP i did the course for now has a small team of develoeprs creating
sites for their clients, so i am sure i have taken the time to do something
for Typo3, after all, i recommended Typo3 to them as it is the most powerful
and flexible cMS i researched.


Sure they still learn new things, but it hasnt taken them months like it did
for me to learn something which is the basics of the sytem.

No offence, but please dont insult me when you know nothing about what i do

Jamie




-----Original Message-----
From: typo3-english-bounces at lists.netfielders.de
[mailto:typo3-english-bounces at lists.netfielders.de]On Behalf Of Tyler Kraft
Sent: 02 October 2006 16:44
To: typo3-english at lists.netfielders.de
Subject: Re: [TYPO3] No tutorials?


really... that easy?

If its all so easy then why do so many people struggle with it? And if
your so hot how come several of the links to sites listed on your
portfolio page are broken, don't actually link anywhere, and one even
displays tons of info about the cold fusion error...

No offence mate but get the little stuff right about your own site
before you start to slag off a complex piece of kit like typo3,a dn the
people who have taken time to even write anything.





Jamie Lawrence Jenner wrote:
> In my opinion, this is the biggest let down for Typo3.
>
> it is a very confising application to get used to, and uses some key
> concepts which if you dont know, can really hamper your development
>
> I put a course together for Typo3, and after three days of the course, the
> people who learned from it, were able to develop Typo3 websites, it was
> quite intensive, but taught the key concepts, which are key to learning
>
> Unfortuantely, the course and materials i developed were privately funded.
> It constsed if a set of web pages defining all you ned to know to get
going,
> followed with captivate movies of the back end, adding elements, pages,
and
> above all the different concepts of typo3, such as page types and their
> specific purpose.
>
> I wrote these in a very, newbie fashion, allowing anyone of any level to
use
> them,
>
> The only problem is, is that the material was privately funded, and not
> released into the public. I would be able to, and intend to do so, create
> the material again, though it is an issue of funding
>
> Jamie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: typo3-english-bounces at lists.netfielders.de
> [mailto:typo3-english-bounces at lists.netfielders.de]On Behalf Of Michel
> Albert
> Sent: 02 October 2006 14:39
> To: TYPO3 English
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3] No tutorials?
>
>
> On 10/2/06, Daniel Smedegaard Buus <daniel at polyteknisk.it> wrote:
>> Hey again...
>>
>> Am I missing something, or are there no real tutorials for TYPO3 4.0?
>>
>> The "Kom i gang" (getting started) tutorial on the site is three years
>> old and relies on a "quickstart" package that doesn't apply (or exist?)
>> to v4.0. doc_tut_quickstart is from 2004. So is Basic Extension Tutorial
>> (which I can't use right now anyway, as I still have no knowledge about
>> the fundamentals of the backend). Frontend Programming is from 2002. So
>> is References Tutorial. Futuristic Template Building is from 2004.
>>
>> The "tutorials" on the wiki are not really tutorials, but mostly
>> checklists and notes like, "maybe a screenshot here?", or the links are
>> dead.
>>
>> Am I missing something? I really need some kind of introduction. I'm
>> wondering if the missing documentation is why there's a "three-month
>> learning curve"?
>>
>> Any links to real tutorials or non-deprecated documentation would be
>> greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Daniel
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> I second this!
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