LoL, old banners: sunsite :5546 bytes sourceforge: 4283 bytes total: 9829 bytes nnew banners: sunsite: 4768 bytes sourceforge: 2006 bytes total: 6774 bytes This looks like a bargain, you get 2 new and slick banners for the less bytes! Hey you even have some extra to use another banner (mine for example ;) rob