[Typo3] RealURL For Dummies?

[A-san]

Tyler Kraft wrote:
> Let me add context to my earlier message!
> 
> "... It is happening ..."
> 
> I think that most people here who are REAL in-depth users who understand 
> typo3 are aware of that.  And for that I think I can honestly say THANK 
> YOU FOR THIS.  And for all the future users who this helps... I also 
> think they will be grateful.
> 
> And in the near future we might have great arguments to whether the 
> documentation should be in 'American' english or 'British' english, or 
> other such "trivial" matter such as semantics or punctuation, but the 
> fact remains that you are an enthusiastic group who are motivated and 
> willing to do something - instead of just say it should be done.
> 

Well punctuation and grammar have a big part in being able to understand 
something you know. ;)

> And I'm fully aware of the fact that the doc team might have been stale 
> in the past, and not moving forward in a great deal, but that's surly 
> not due to the people involved but perhaps all the people who were not 
> involved.
> 
> I don't think anyone here would say NO to anyone doing more to help 
> organise or structure the documents.  And this isn't so much a rant to, 
> or about, Amir directly (who I have argued with over documents in the 
> past).  More so just a generally expressed sign of frustration at all 
> the recent comments about how 'this' should be done and 'that' should be 
> done, and Kasper needs to do 'this' or 'that'...
> 
> KASPER DOESN'T NEED TO DO ANYTHING!!!
> 
> It is as simple as that! But Kasper has already publicly and openly 
> devoted himself to THIS - Typo3 - for all of us. And in doing so has 
> also laid himself and his beliefs, whether agreed with or not, open to 
> scrutiny and condemnation by all in the process.  While people on this 
> list still keep saying -"he needs to give/do more!".

Your exactly right, Kasper does not need to do anything.  I never told 
for him to do anything!  I suggested that he try and organize the Typo3 
resources and rewrite the documents, and ofcourse if he can't, which he 
probably can't, he should try and oversee that something is done, maybe 
organize a group that can do this (like mentioned before, there is 
already a group), work on the typo3.org site and make it a bit more 
comprehensive.  His work is fantastic, I dont condemn him, I am just 
saying that improvements can be made from the center of it all, things 
that he has control over.  Is it wrong to mention that improvements can 
be made?

> 
> Its time that people start to do instead of say they need it done.
> 
> Amir - write some documentation if your that bothered! As stated 
> Marlies' documentation came about due to wanting to better understand 
> what was being done - do the same thing, and then publish it.  It might 
> impress you to realise how much you will not only learn but also already 
> perhaps know.... And who knows some other newbie might find it helpful 
> down the line.

Do it do it do it.  We CAN'T DO IT if we dont KNOW IT. The reason we are 
suggesting this is because WE are having a problem with solving our 
problems.  And if we have problems, and can't even get our site to work, 
what makes you think we can start rewrite the documentation that we are 
struggling to understand in the first place!  I am so eager to start new 
websites, and even a blog and site for Typo3 but I can't because I am 
still stuck trying to fix problems and understand and find answers to my 
problems so I can finish this first website.

Dont get me wrong, Typo3 is one of the best systems out there and if 
anyone asks me about a CMS, Typo3 would be my recommendation.  However, 
in my opinion, there are flaws in the support area of this mod, and you 
really can't deny it.  Typo3 has a steap learning curve.  That is 
alright, its a powerful system, and it is complicated and takes 
learning... but that combined with the poor organization of information 
and solutions makes it very, very hard.

The fact that I need to go through 3 different type of search engines, 4 
different sites, several documentations, finally spend 20 minutes trying 
to explain my small problem in a mailing list, then days waiting for a 
reply only to be insulted by another person or be brushed off and told 
to go read the documentation is very aggravating!

If I can help I would certainly help but I think the main solution has 
to come from typo3.org itself, whether its the work of Kasper or someone 
else... I just think that the website needs a bit of a makeover, maybe 
some modernization.  Make information easier to access and to find 
somehow.  Its not good to have to go through 10 different things to find 
your answer.  I believe the improvement will be when I have to go to one 
place only to get an answer to my problem, and that place should be the 
main website.