[TYPO3-dev] Money money... and a donation project

[Stig Nørgaard Færch]

Ries van Twisk skrev:
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> On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:59 AM, Stig Nørgaard Færch wrote:
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>> Ries van Twisk skrev:
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>>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:05 AM, Stig Nørgaard Færch wrote:
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>>>> Ries van Twisk skrev:
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>>>>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 2:17 AM, Stig Nørgaard Færch wrote:
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>>>>>> <snip>
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>>>>>> Collecting the money:
>>>>>> The next barrier is to actual collect the money. Let's say the 
>>>>>> project
>>>>>> need 3000€. I wouldn't want to make a donation of 100€ unless I was
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> that money actually would be used for this project. What if the goal
>>>>>> amount isn't met? Okay - so people can pledge? This would never work
>>>>>> with small donation amounts for such a project.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So this project might never be realized.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the project was never realized it was never needed by the person 
>>>>> who
>>>>> want's to implement this feature.
>>>>
>>>> It's true that many features are not "needed", but they are 
>>>> nevertheless
>>>> often really nice-to-have.
>>>>
>>>> And it might be true for Marios cool "google-calendar like frontend"
>>>> project as well - he might not really need it. But it would be a
>>>> valuable and nice-to-have feature.
>>>
>>> If it's valuable to have (this is arguable) then somebody that needed it
>>> would implement it. Really, I have also done crazy things with the
>>> help of TYPO3 that could not be found in TER, client needed it,
>>> so it got implemented...
>>
>> Lets say that some feature costs 5000€ to implement. That might be a too
>> heavy cost for the customer.
> 
> Then this only means the client really didn't needed it...
> 
>> That doesn't mean that it isn't a valuable
>> feature and a needed feature.
> 
> I agree, but if it's really needed it will get built..

By who - by it self?
In another CMS?

If the customer needs a feature it, he will pay. Or if its too expensive 
he either decides to downgrade his demands or he decides to go with 
another CMS.
But if the feature was already there, you would have a better chance 
keeping that customer.

Of course you might be one of those who keep reinventing the wheel 
because it pays good?

>> So the TYPO3 company now has to decide if
>> it itself should invest time/money in the project. But I still haven't
>> seen any company who has made THE gallery extension (for example).
> 
> Because they are not needed??? there are some nice galleries
> already and apparently they fit the bill. Properly there
> are some private gallery extensions aswell...

You might say that this and that isn't needed. But features might be 
needed in the long run if you want TYPO3 to keep up with the competition.

>> That
>> doesn't mean that the need isn't there - it just means that noone is
>> coordinating efforts/money.
>> If that feature only had to cost 500€ for the customer, then it had been
>> developed. And I think that could be achieved through the use of 
>> donations.
> 
> If 500 Euro is an issue for any company to market his/here website
> they have a serious problem in the first place. And they need to ask 
> themselves
> if they can go away with feature XYZ that works for them...

5000€ was the issue - not the 500€. 5000€ can be a lot of money for a 
feature for many customers.
I guess your focus is just on those customers who have the big bucks - 
that might be the difference.


> I myself have been working on extensions that are worth over 100K,
> the customer paid it because they needed it...
> You see what I mean? The difference is 'need' vs 'like to have looks 
> nice and cool'.

Not every customer will pay your price for their needs.
I would much rather want to say to a customer - 'Yes - no problem TYPO3 
has this cool flexible extension.', than 'Sorry, but we can implement 
this for 20000€'.

> Really, if there is a need... it will get implemented!!! See also 
> Dmitry's points....

If the customer is willing to pay.


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