[TYPO3-dev] not amused...

[Ries van Twisk]

On Sep 3, 2009, at 11:22 AM, Christopher Torgalson wrote:

>
> On 3-Sep-09, at 5:44 AM, Ries van Twisk wrote:
>
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>> On Sep 3, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Dmitry Dulepov wrote:
>>
>>> Hi!
>>>
>>> Ries van Twisk wrote:
>>>> It's bad comparison.... Magento  does something else then TYPO3
>>>> does.
>>>> You really need to compare CMS systems to see trends. Also google
>>>> trends
>>>> is mis-information if you are not very carefull how you compare...
>>>
>>> I did not compare CMS, I compared products. But if you wish CMS
>>> comparison, here it is:
>>> http://www.google.com/trends?q=typo3%2Cjoomla%2Cdrupal%2Cwordpress
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>>
>>
>> There markets are different,
>> if you want to compare CMS systems compare enterprise systems not
>> joomla vs TYPO3 or
>> drupal vs TYPO3. and again, google trends is NOT a good comparison
>> tool!!!!
>
>
> Sorry Ries, Google trends may or may not be a good tool for
> comparison, but you're wrong here. Drupal 5 and (especially) Drupal  
> 6--
> I know nothing about Joomla--are being used for a LOT of work that
> TYPO3 could be used for. There are plenty of large, sophisticated and
> complex sites that have been built on-time and on-budget using Drupal
> for satisfied clients. This is the only sensible basis for comparison,
> and on this basis, Drupal and TYPO3 are very comparable (though each
> has its own strengths and weaknesses to be sure).
>
> This "enterprise system" language gets bandied around quite a bit on
> the TYPO3 lists, but it's not very meaningful--as far as I can tell,
> it's usually a way of claiming TYPO3's superiority to other products
> without having to provide details. There is no shortage of
> 'enterprise' usage of Drupal, and simply asserting that TYPO3 is
> incomparable to product A or product B does nothing for TYPO3. If you
> want to say TYPO3 is better than some other product (and I agree that
> it very often is), say HOW...
>
> --
> Christopher Torgalson
> http://www.typo3apprentice.com/


I see what you are saying, and I know for myself that people (companies)
are complaining about TYPO3, there docs and what not...

However, google trends can only measure what has been written online,
not what is actually happening in a specific marked area. This is the  
danger of google trends.

There are many companies with rock solid CMS systems
that don't even show up on trends, yet they are sold and used a lot.  
It's
just that there marked doesn't like to blog, to tweet , to Hyve or to  
Facebook (or name other news channels)
doesn't mean they are not popular in this area.


The underlaying mayor message of this thread however shows :

*) Developer community is currently not healthy.
*) Potential client hesitate more towards TYPO3 then a couple of years  
ago.


The above cannot be solved by just paying developers, structural  
changes need to happen
to make the developer community more healthy again. TYPO3 also needs  
to know
where to position itself within the Open Source CMS market, I think  
that this is currently
not very clear anymore (do we want to compare ourselves to Drupal, or  
do we want
to compare ourself with Vignette??)
 From a developer stand point of view, goals are very much clear, but  
I don't remember (correct me if I am wrong)
the goal of TYPO3 in general, the direction to take...



			regards, Ries van Twisk

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