[TYPO3-dev] not amused...

[Xavier Perseguers]

Hi Dmitry,

> It does not matter for the end customer at all if we have Extbase there or not. FE editing matters, Extbase doesn't. Only customer–oriented features matter in the global view.

I agree. I'm continuously asked whether FE editing is finally here...

>> etc. Thus, I still feel that it was the right thing to do including the
>> concepts of FLOW3 into v4.
> 
> It probably changes the way how people develop but what kind of advantages does it add for the end customer? Would I try to sell TYPO3 to a new customer saying that it got FLUID? They look to me like I am crazy. They need web 2.0, fast and cool looking CMS, not something that only developers are excited about. Therefore they will choose CmsBox or SilverStripe instead because those look much better, work faster and do most of what TYPO3 does. Customers really don't care about Extbase or Fluid.

:-) I agree too

> Usability and user interface should be a starting point, not xml or ddd or mvc.
> 
>> And concerning the next steps - I think now is a good time to have more
>> and more people involved both in FLOW3 and TYPO3 v5 development. I think
>> we're now approaching a phase where more and more people can help out,
>> and I am really looking forward to it!
> 
> I am really pessimistic about v5 after three years of never ending development. If a *new* framework like FLOW3 already has performance problems, is it worth spending time trying it? I really have doubts about it.

I'm not that pessimistic and even really enthusiast with Extbase/Fluid which as I said in another post is a real use of FLOW3, something we, developer, may use for real (well apart from a few bugs 
that will shortly be tackled with) but you're absolutely right that it's fun for us but the customer absolutely does not care about this.

People like you should stay and have a position that allow TYPO3 to go towards those goals. I don't mean by this that new development and new "modern" features should be stopped, not! for sure! but 
"young" developers (which I'm still a bit) often prefer cool stuff for them instead of sometimes more-boring, less cool bugs fixing which have much more importance for a customer.

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Xavier Perseguers
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