[TYPO3-dev] not amused...

[Dmitry Dulepov]

Hi!

Sebastian KurfŸürst wrote:
> Concerning the release cycle - I think we all agree that we wanted to
> have 4.3 out a lot earlier (we agreed on half-year cycles, but now we're
> approaching a year). However, I feel strongly that 4.3 will be a really
> nice and complete system, with the new FE Editing, a whole slew of other
> cool features and Extbase in place.

It does not matter for the end customer at all if we have Extbase there or not. FE editing matters, Extbase doesn't. Only customer–oriented features matter in the global view.

> Thus, I feel OK with 4.3 having such a long development cycle. Of course
> I hope that we can shorten this a lot for 4.4 (maybe again to the
> half-year we initially thought of).

It is not ok at all when plans are not fulfilled. There is no point to plan unless plans are fulfilled. Next time the planning should take care of checking how we develop and why releases are delayed.

> I still really feel excited and thrilled about the way Extbase and Fluid
> changes the way you develop. Yes, it does not "feel" like TYPO3 v4
> anymore (with complex method namings, very hard to gasp side-effects,
> etc), but (at least to me) it feels a lot like "it should be" - clear
> namings, quite easy to understand (if you look at existing concepts),
> etc. Thus, I still feel that it was the right thing to do including the
> concepts of FLOW3 into v4.

It probably changes the way how people develop but what kind of advantages does it add for the end customer? Would I try to sell TYPO3 to a new customer saying that it got FLUID? They look to me like I am crazy. They need web 2.0, fast and cool looking CMS, not something that only developers are excited about. Therefore they will choose CmsBox or SilverStripe instead because those look much better, work faster and do most of what TYPO3 does. Customers really don't care about Extbase or Fluid.

Usability and user interface should be a starting point, not xml or ddd or mvc.

> And concerning the next steps - I think now is a good time to have more
> and more people involved both in FLOW3 and TYPO3 v5 development. I think
> we're now approaching a phase where more and more people can help out,
> and I am really looking forward to it!

I am really pessimistic about v5 after three years of never ending development. If a *new* framework like FLOW3 already has performance problems, is it worth spending time trying it? I really have doubts about it.

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