[TYPO3-dev] TER, typo3.org, everything went FUBAR!!! :))

[Daniel Hinderink [TYPO3]]

Hi folks, hi Dimitri,

On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 15:17:21 +0100, Jody Cleveland wrote
(in article <mailman.6767.1141395105.3122.typo3-dev at lists.netfielders.de>):

> Thank you, Dimitri, for saying very well, exactly what I was thinking.
> ;) 

Thinking?

> 
> - jody
> 
>> If there is some very busy work going on on these parts, it is not
>> being committed to CVS. I was looking for the scripts that convert SXW
>> ext manual to web pages and PDF but those are either nowhere to be
>> found in the CVS.
>> 
>> Either that or I am too old and missing something or looking in the
>> wrong places.
>> 
>> Here is a big picture problem that I see - TYPO3 as a CMS is not
>> powerful and versatile enough to serve as a platform for TYPO3
>> community portal. This is a fact that is very hard and painful to
>> admit.

Since the TER (which also produces the documentation library) is no part of
TYPO3, that summary about TYPO3 seems rather daring.


 So, once the maillist archive becomes too heavy we just drop it
>> altogether (all these forum-like thingies are for sissies anyway, real
>> men use news reader!), and point people to netfielders where they are
>> unsearcheable. I really wonder who had made a good and smart choice to
>> actually use MediaWiki for wiki - either this was a very bold move or
>> TIMTAW is so bad it wasn't even an option.

TIMTAW was not finished at the time when the decision had to be taken.
 
>> I somewhat like TER2 as an idea with decentralization and all but it
>> should have been built the other way around - as a virtualization over
>> the OLD TER1 first, not the other way around as per
>> http://typo3.org/typo3temp/tx_rlmpofficelib_641540efc6.png .

TER1 gave us heavy performance problems, it would have become a problem
again, so TER2 needed to start by exchanging the basic design flaw of TER1 -
the way the data was kept.


>> What happens now is you reward the gung-ho admins running sites on CVS
>> beta- versions at the expense of people who want to do something else
>> with their lives besides constantly upgrading TYPO3.

Happy speculating, Dimitri.

>> If Microsoft did something like this with MSDN or Windows Update linux
>> commies at Slashdot would be joyfully pissing in their pants. But an
>> open source project can't do nothing wrong, it's all for the sake of
>> the "future" and "progress".

Well, not exactly. Your message and it's follow-ups prove that you at least
expect the same service from an Open Source project then from anything else.
I leave it up to you, to judge if it is the fault of the people active in
this project or if F/OSS in general is bound to disappoint you.

Given that I understand that the current state is a problem for many, I am
still amazed by the fact, that almost nobody joined in beta-testing TER2.

Just to light up your evening: I still think it was worth it to do the
switch, even if it will take a few more weeks to fix the TER. If Robert
would have waited for the community to help him test stuff, while it was not
urgent, TER2 would have never been launched.

Happy flaming.

cheers

Daniel