[TYPO3-dev] Moving the topic of the discussion a little bit --Based of thread "Change roadmap..."

[Dimitri Tarassenko]

Joey,

On 4/12/06, JoH <info at cybercraft.de> wrote:

> Kick the great inventions Kasper has made during the last 8 years in favour
> of something that will make it just a framework for some techniques you
> could even use without TYPO3.

Ahem... Can we get a bit more real about the amount and degree of
actual innovation TYPO3 contains? Not to rain on anyone's parade or
anything, but the last "great invention" I know is the Internet, and
we all know who did it ;)))

> > Smarty is _clearly_ superior to TYPO3 marker-based templating as it
> > provides better separation of business logics and presentation. Martin
> > gave you one very good example with looping but it doesn't end there.
> Maybe you didn't understand the meaning of "separation" but AFAIK smarty
> does just the contrary: It mixes up logics and presentation completely,
> forcing the template designer to think like a programmer.

Iterating items in a set just to display them is the task of
presentation layer. And right now in Smarty you can do it in the
template, while in TS+Markers you have to do it in your object code.

> > That's exactly what we are rooting for. Smarty suites my needs a lot
> > better than TypoScript, and not because it's "standard", but because
> > it's better. ADOdb is better than t3div_db and DBAL. Et cetera.
> There is always something missing in your sentences: The words "for me".

Yep. This time I used "suites my needs". Guilty as charged ;)

> So why not find a way of keeping TypoScript and implementing the possibility
> to use other templating techniques as well?

For the same reasons that MS killed VB6 in favor of VB.NET - to free
themselves of the burden of backwards compatibility that was getting
to heavy.

> Well - as far as I understood the details you described of your vision of
> TYPO3 5.0 this sounds like a fork to me.

It was meant to sound like a proposed turn in direction. And if there
continues to be some movement in the current direction after the turn,
then I guess it is a fork.

> BTW: If all those things that make out current TYPO3 are so badly written,
> sucking and crappy solutions: Why are you using it then?

For the same reasons I still drive my rusty 1993 Ford Taurus to work -
it's there, it still can handle 15 miles a day and it's paid for. Am I
proclaiming by driving it that '93 Taurus is the best thing since
sliced bread? Hell no, I take my other car when I hit the
interstate;))

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Dimitri Tarassenko