[TYPO3-dev] RFC: Change roadmap for 4.5 and 5.0

[Michael Scharkow]

Patrick Gaumond wrote:
> Michael Scharkow wrote:
>> I think the estimation of 6 months for a whole usability overhaul 
>> (including the FE is necessary as well) is rather optimistic. And 
>> porting 'back' the changes to 5.0 even more so if we do more than 
>> cosmetic changes.
> 
> Dear Michael, I thought that I wrote "(no real numbers)"... Change them 
> to 12 months and 16 month if you like.

I read that. But the numbers are in line with the expectations of the 
roadmap, so they are at least save to assume.

> I think the point is not about marketing, it's about experience in the 
> community itself (not Debian or Zope community, TYPO3 community) to 
> deliver an important release as 5.0.
> 
> Go read the last 25 messages in project.content-rendering to get a 
> different feeling of what you think is the mood of the T3 community...

I'm not sure I understand you here. Do you say that the TYPO3 community 
prefers big-bang releases to incremental change? I read the mentioned 
thread as an example that some people *don't* want this kind of one-off 
releases, and will be very happy with a long 4.x tradition.

> Better BE could lead to more customers. Ask Tapio about FE editing just 
> to see.  ;)

Never doubted that.

> Seriously, you will not get customers with a better architecture. Not a 
> single client ever complained about the layout of T3 Database... But 
> programmers from time to time appear here, spit their venom, complain 
> about OO design and disappear...

Or they stay (hi Sven!). I think it's just as well a valid claim that 
better API and code will get us customers. Just think a second about why 
TYPO3 is *completely* non-existant in the blogosphere (and therefore in 
the whole word-to-mouth marketing world) which is dominated by Rails and 
Python Frameworks and JAVA stuff. TYPO3 simply does not seem to appeal 
as a framework to those who have seen the code and tried to wrap their 
minds around the architecture. At leasts that's what I gather from the 
few comments you find outside German sites...

> And for performance I would disagree. I tend to think that performance 
> and memory consumption is important in bigger sites. But you know that, 
> you wrote an article on the subject.  :)

See the issues with the new EM. Even on my idle server it takes just too 
long to be happy with it. Or the sheer amount of DB requests for a 
simple static site...

> I like this approach but I'm just not confident that we will have enough 
> coders to make it happen (actual coders, not people that have great 
> ideas then disappear forever because they where not able to contribute 
> anymore...).

I actually think that my proposals needs the least number of devs, at 
least compared to having to separate dev teams for 4.5 and 5.0

> Anyway, I think that ultimately, we just want the best for TYPO3 so 
> let's continue to think a bit about what is best, in a realistic way.

Yes, let's wait for the BDFL and his companions to speak out :)

Cheers,
Michael