[TYPO3-dev] Usability of the Columns view

[Erik Svendsen]

Hello Tapio,

> Erik Svendsen wrote:

>> I never use the exactly same HTML template. But I reuse much of the
>> TS.
>> 
> I reuse much TS + content area templates - normally I made just new
> main templates. Using TemplaVoila you can't reuse mapping like I can
> reuse content area templates.

You can! Copy and paste XML. But it difficult to compare MTB or manual use 
of subparts to TV. The approach are i many ways to different.
 
>> And why not do development on the newest plattform.
>> 
> my boss doesn't offer that for me - just 3.8.1

Even if you making solutions for a productions server on ver 3.8.1, you should 
at same time test it and prepare it for the next generation. Especcialy when 
a new version is right around the corner. Aren't you gooing to upgrade TYPO3. 


>> But this is neccessary to get TYPO3 userfriendly at all levels. You
>> need a userfriendly templating engine, userfriendly configuration,
>> userfriendly backend og userfriendly frontend editing to make the
>> competition with other CMS's.
>> 
> tm_contentaccess offers me them. template engine is userfriendly
> enough for me.

Yes, but maybe not for the future of TYPO3.
 
>> Why be afraid. When systems develop, it's normal that extensions and
>> other stuff gets obsolete.
>> 
> But I'm not the only, who wants to keep MTB. See what 'JohnH' has
> written. TemplaVoila is just too complex for my purposes.

Yes I know there are many people that use MTB, manual subparts or even the 
TS only way. And thats one of the fantastic thing with TYPO3, the same goal 
can be achived through different paths. But even with the same approach as 
today for future TYPO3, a lot of thing can be obsolete. The goal for version 
4.5 is usability and a redigned interface, and for 5.0 a refactored core. 
Both these goals will make a lots of things obsolete give need for rewritting.
 
>> and so on. And gives new opportunities, and mostly better solutions.
>> If new, and better solutions make anything obsolete, no problem.
>> 
> But it seems that you and many other developers like to kill MTB and
> other techniques than TemplaVoila. I just like more MTB and I would
> not like that you or somebody else would kill it.

I don't want to kill MTB and other techniques. But I want TYPO3 to adapt 
new technologies when they are better, even if it makes it necessarry to 
ditch anything of the old stuff. Because it necessary if TYPO3 also in 3 
to 5 years shall be a competive CMS. Maybe even TV has do be ditched to achive 
that. And maybe we should hope for a better integration between different 
approaches.

And I have to say, I like your attempt to make both backend and frontend 
more userfriendly.

 
WBR,
Erik Svendsen
www.linnearad.no