[Typo3-dev] The Right Crew

[Kasper Skårhøj]

Hi Patrick,

>> With no results in terms of release-worthy code we could just as well
>> rename the list /dev/null.
> 
> I've seen quite some code and patches in the bug tracker and the Gremlin
> effort looks like a great way to get some things done. In a perfect
> world, Gremlin would be a constant project but it's possible only if the
> patches are reviewed and accepted.

Maybe I was too harsh. Sorry y'all.

Yes, one of the groups of people I admire most in this community is Michael
Stuckis bug-fixing-team. I don't know if they have another name, but THEY
are working on implementing stuff from the bug-tracker, they have a
four-eye review scheme running and it is working pretty well with
communication to me. More of that! The striking point is that they are
almost all students...


> Kasper, you make a living of TYPO3. Few others are also able but
> stickiness comes usually with money or encouragements.

May I remind you that I didn't the first 4 years! I actually said no to
freelance jobs because I was passionate about TYPO3 development!

> It's a fact that people will always criticize code done by Kasper on a 6
> years period. Who can pretend that his own code written years ago is
> still untouchable after adding few years of new knowledge and practice ?
> People will rant about OO and patterns. But hey, at least they have code
> to comment on! Never forget that someone did it.

I have stated that objectively I agree on much the criticism people are
leveling against the current code base but I find it rude to address it as
if we should have "known better" or have "mad tendencies". That is not
exactly helping them market their solutions to those ultimately in charge.

> But the real question is how can coders feel "called" to join a team
> that doesn't look like a group? I mean, someone in the Core team wrote
> harsh things like "there are too many truly stupid solutions in TYPO3".

Not me ;-)

> Why did people submitted 133 Gremlins (even with if the process was
> awkward)? They had the impression that they would be listened. I've add
> about 5 gremlins myself just because of that. Those where not in the bug
> tracker before. They where there somewhere in the back of my brain but
> knowing something was going to be done, I've put the effort to report
> them.

I don't see the point. People have no problem sharing their favourite
rants/gremlins about TYPO3 on this list where history shows that it is most
likely never carried out in real life. 

> So if you can't have the money, you better have way of encouraging
> people to give back, the way they can afford.

I'm not talking about encouragement. I'm talking about what happens "after
encouragement" when the going gets tough. Some people seems to think its
all sunshine and downstream but its not only. I'm asking for people still
standing on the rock when its cold and boring. Those I will invest in.

> Older people will always 
> have family to take care of, youngsters will have energy that decrease
> if there's no return of investment. This will not change.

So are older people freeriders? Could seem so. My guess is that its about
more than family but also about job and money. The guy in this community
that I admire the most in terms of discipline to stick to his commitments
is Daniel Hinderink. I can't say if he has actually turned down job
opportunities because he wanted to keep his commitments in the community
but I can tell you that not a single time have I seen him deliver late (or
not at all) with the excuse that some company project took precedence.
Daniel has family too, but it also seems that he insists on contributing
with some percentage of his time and I'm quite sure he could easily get
tied up in other things if he let himself. That's a rolemodel!

- kasper

> 
> Patrick
> (Still TYPO3 cheerleader!)

Thanks Patrick. None of this is an attack on your personally of course. The
points are general.

-- 
Kasper Skårhøj