[Typo3-dev] any extension developers need html/css templating?

[Wengrzik, Andreas]

Full ACK!
There was a time befor DIV.... and we´re still alive :)

Most important thing is to use correctly the W3C - this will solve the most
problems.






> -----Original Message-----
> From: JoH [mailto:info at cybercraft.de]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 11:36 AM
> To: typo3-dev at lists.netfielders.de
> Subject: Re: [Typo3-dev] any extension developers need html/css
> templating?
> 
> 
> >> My suggestion above solves the standard objections that 
> "tables were
> >> meant to present data, not layout" and screenreaders and Lynx will
> >> know
> >> that the <grid> element should be interpreted differently.
> >
> > But for now we will have to do with what is there. To me that is
> > sufficient. Different kinds of positioning techniques give me the
> > possiblility of emulating a grid based layout. I have had 
> to overcome
> > some problems. Some stuff just doesn't come easy, but you can always
> > google something out ;-).  Lots of examples out there.
> 
> Well - what is there is defined by the W3C.
> 
> We have TABLE _and_ DIV and the W3C only says:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/REC-html40-19980424/struct/tables.html
> 
> [quote]
> Tables should not be used purely as a means to layout 
> document content as
> this may present problems when rendering to non-visual media. 
> Additionally,
> when used with graphics, these tables may force users to 
> scroll horizontally
> to view a table designed on a system with a larger display. 
> To minimize
> these problems, authors should use style sheets to control 
> layout rather
> than tables.
> [/quote]
> 
> There is a difference between "should not" and "must/may 
> not". And it is
> only a hint that the use of TABLE "may present problems" when 
> rendering to
> non-visual media.
> 
> What they don't tell you is that the use of DIV and CSS "may present
> problems" when rendering to visual media. (The funny thing 
> is: The browser
> most of the CSS-purists hate the most is the one that does it 
> best in most
> cases) And as long as these problems are not solved I will stick to
> TABLE-based layout _with_ CSS that displays fine in most 
> common browsers,
> since most of my clients depend on users using "visual 
> media". Why should I
> fumble around with DIV and CSS for hours and hours just to 
> have something
> that nearly looks the way I wanted it when I can have 
> something better in
> just five minutes using TABLE and CSS?
> 
> So I really appreciate Kaspers' idea of introducing the GRID tag as an
> addition while leaving the original TABLE tag for "real" tables.
> This tag should be working like TABLE in visual media and 
> simply be ignored
> in non-visual media.
> 
> Joey
> 
> 
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