[Typo3-debian] Poorly documentation

[Ossi Petz]

hello

well first: i do recognize the frustration. i really do. but i can not 
agree the way you express it.

typo3 tutorials cover a lot of documentation that is simply not typo3 
related. setting up php and apache and imagamagick and stuff is 
described at php.net and apache.org and so on. finding step-by-step 
instructions in typo3 tutorials is more meant as a hint. i cant do more.

next: installing typo3 on windows (after a sucsesfull webserver config) 
takes like 5 minutes! learning typo3 takes another 2 months! that is 
stated in the quickstart tutorial an trust me: its no joke!

installing typo3 on unix systems and specially debian just brings 
further 'pain'. there are like one billion tutorials for debian. and 1% 
of them works for my 'weird' installation. some tools are missing, some 
have different versions, the sources-list is not the same, some use 
apt-pinning and get different packages and so on and on and on...

debian is dummy safe. not at all. its not even professionals-safe (at 
least i would say so).

the only question that remains is: do you want to install it? yes or no. 
if yes: describe where you got stuck. i can almost guarantee you: 
someone has solved precisely that problem a week ago. a problem that did 
not came up for a lot of other people. so why should it be in a manual?

if you have the will to do it, you will find an answer at typo3.org or 
at goolge google/groups. but finding that answer sometimes takes too 
much time... i can agree with that. but you _can_ find an answer! just 
dont give up after 10 hours. time consuming? yeeeeees ;)

if youre not willing to spent youre time with this... well?

there are other php/mysql/cms, some even free. all with 'the same' 
problems, as all require the same setup for these tools. blame anyone in 
the chain for it... or blame the last one in the queue for incomplete 
docs or hidden manpages.

i have not seen any completly working debian-howto yet! in 2 years of 
debian root-server administration not a single one! that is clearly not 
the responsibility of typo3.org

so to finish in one sentence (could have come up earlier with that idea 
:p): give it a try! friendly at patient! its worth it.


need some reference data?
my first typo3-installation was july-2003 on windows 2000 server. since 
then i try to bring it to my debian-woody (with all imagemagick/search 
tools). it works since 3 weeks (05/2004). there was always something 
(mail, php, openssl, apache, php again, stable packages that went 
testing and so on)

ok. /me is not the debian-guru. but hey!

if things are supposed to work but they dont find a solution or ask 
someone and dont blame the manual! poor thingy! :-p


remember one sentence: give it a try! seriously!


ossi :-)